Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

**Orb** · 01-28-2007, 22:31

someone unvote Sasaki, we can't afford to lose a revealed detective and his role PM is too convincing to be forged.

The votes for him are essentially baseless unless you consider the word of a don to be a solid foundation for a lynching.

**Crazed Rabbit** · 01-28-2007, 22:37

I think everyone is forgetting to take Ituralde's vote into account:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1792

Making this the count as of 1600 EST, when voting ended:

The Stranger = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb, Ituralde)

Tom_Hagen = 2( HughTower, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 9 (doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

Even adding Luigi's vote will only make it a tie.

Crazed Rabbit

**Moros** · 01-28-2007, 22:39

Originally Posted by Pannonian

Which begs the question, why Warluster did name Dutch Guy?

That I don't know. I'm defending TS, me and sasaki here. Warluster is in TS's group. The only thing I know is that TS trusts him. I'm not inclining that I think he's mafioso. But what you say does make sense. (was about time.

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I'm I the only one with problems loading the org?

Edit: another duplicate, tought the messages never got posted. Strange stuff.

**Redleg** · 01-28-2007, 22:44

Originally Posted by Orb

someone unvote Sasaki, we can't afford to lose a revealed detective and his role PM is too convincing to be forged.

The votes for him are essentially baseless unless you consider the word of a don to be a solid foundation for a lynching.

You do understand that a rogue does not necessarily imply that Sasaki is pro-town. In fact the term Rogue implies that Sasaki has his own victory conditions that might not be inline with the victory conditions of the town.

**Moros** · 01-28-2007, 22:45

Originally Posted by Redleg

The problem is that Rogue does not necessarily mean Pro-town, even if his actions seem to be pro-town for now. One must ask themseves what rogue means.

Rogue as defined by Webster's

1 : VAGRANT, TRAMP
2 : a dishonest or worthless person : SCOUNDREL
3 : a mischievous person : SCAMP
4 : a horse inclined to shirk or misbehave

the rolepm says that rogue means that he is pro town but that he isn't afraid to use "betsy" for justice... He can shift tough, but he starts out as pro-town. And I still have to see a reason to think he has swapped side.

**Orb** · 01-28-2007, 22:46

Originally Posted by Redleg

You do understand that a rogue does not necessarily imply that Sasaki is pro-town. In fact the term Rogue implies that Sasaki has his own victory conditions that might not be inline with the victory conditions of the town.

I've seen quite a few TV examples of detectives who use their own sources for the 'right' ends but are essentially 'good', and seeing as the family names come from media sources (Godfather books/films), I don't consider this a stretch of the imagination.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 01-28-2007, 22:52

Jesus, are you guys crazy? You almost lynched me. That's the worst rash of bandwagon votes I've ever seen. Apparently this passes for prime evidence nowadays:

Originally Posted by Redleg

You do understand that a rogue does not necessarily imply that Sasaki is pro-town. In fact the term Rogue implies that Sasaki has his own victory conditions that might not be inline with the victory conditions of the town.

Or you could just read my pm:

As with any pro-townie role, your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win.

Ironside:

Sasaki only to confirm from what I understood is what happened between you and pevergreen, according to what you claim. You infiltrated thier mafia-group climing that you had a pro-mafia role. Possibly it did exist a special role that fitted what you guessed would be a pro-mafia role, but no matter that, all that matters is that pevergreen accepted your claims and let you in. From the inside it was an easy matter to destroy the group.
pevergreen obviously got angry about this and made a strong case against you as revenge.

Yeah that's basically it.

**Redleg** · 01-28-2007, 22:55

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Jesus, are you guys crazy? You almost lynched me. That's the worst rash of bandwagon votes I've ever seen. Apparently this passes for prime evidence nowadays:

or maybe you have edited your game role message to fool the town. Which is exactly one of the accusations you have accused another of.

I am still waiting on why you believe its okay for you to investigate other players through PM, but have a problem with others investigating your actions via the same route?

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 01-28-2007, 22:58

The rogue detective is always a good guy. Same Spade?

Because I'm investigating mafia and your investigating the detective. Obviously.

**Redleg** · 01-28-2007, 23:02

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

The rogue detective is always a good guy. Same Spade?

Because I'm investigating mafia and your investigating the detective. Obviously.

Then you shouldn't be getting upset because you are a Rogue, which means every action of yours should be investigated and you should be held in suspect because of your actions. And no the Rogue is not always the good guy. Why else do police departments have an Internal Affairs Department? Care to name the movie where the Police Officers and Detectives assist the Mob? In fact there are several such movies. You ever watch the movie "the Untouchables?" The Chicago Mafia had many detectives and regular police on their payroll.

By definition a Rogue is not necessarily beneficial to the town.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 01-28-2007, 23:06

Originally Posted by Redleg

Then you shouldn't be getting upset because you are a Rogue, which means every action of yours should be investigated and you should be held in suspect because of your actions.

By definition a Rogue is not necessarily beneficial to the town.

The mafia will try to lynch the detective, that's practically guaranteed, and all the votes I've received today is good evidence of that. Anyone who tries is therefore more likely to be mafia. Simple as that.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 01-28-2007, 23:09

btw, Kommodus is innocent.

**doc_bean** · 01-28-2007, 23:10

Unvote: Sasaki
vote:abstain

EDIT: explanation; I'm confused...

The Stranger = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb, Ituralde)

Tom_Hagen = 2( HughTower, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 3 (JimBob, Xiahou, doc_bean)

**Redleg** · 01-28-2007, 23:11

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

The mafia will try to lynch the detective, that's practically guaranteed, and all the votes I've received today is good evidence of that. Anyone who tries is therefore more likely to be mafia. Simple as that.

Nice try there Sasaki attempting threats against those that vote against you. A sure fire sign of a guilty individual, and a rather obvious one at that.

If I vote against you - I must be mafia. That is sure funny. Now go and attempt to prove it. My message from Seamus states Townie. I investigated theRogue Detective because of his actions and the conflicts I saw in the statements, I have been on protection missions, none successful but what the hell lynch me and prove that all you have is the ability to threaten others. Which is exactly the course that will happen.

Hell I just might sucide myself so that my role as townie is revealed as a fact by Seamus. What do you say to that. Its no threat Sasaki I detest those who attempt such a stance as you just took more then I detest the use of moderator functions to spy on others.

Here is a question for the general audience, if I sucide myself and the report comes back as townie - will every one lynch this rogue detective because of his use of this weak ass attempt of a threat?

What a Bully you are Sasaki

**Louis VI the Fat** · 01-28-2007, 23:12

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

The mafia will try to lynch the detective, that's practically guaranteed, and all the votes I've received today is good evidence of that. Anyone who tries is therefore more likely to be mafia. Simple as that.

No, some people defending their fourth mafia member aka Sasaki 'The Wolf' Kojiro are mafia.

* Eyes mobster Crazed Rabbit *

**doc_bean** · 01-28-2007, 23:18

vote: Sasaki

again.

sasaki:9
TS:10

EDIT: now I'm just trying to keep things interesting

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 01-28-2007, 23:18

Voting closed at 1600 Eastern as I was having my gnocci with shrimp and a bit of pan-seared broccoli. Had a nice glass of Aussie Chard to go with. Damn you blokes down under make good wine! Had a Spectator 87 and I got it for only $8.39 + tax!

Sorry Luigi, I truly appreciate your vote, but cannot count it. Summary shortly.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 01-28-2007, 23:19

The mafia will try to lynch the detective, that's practically guaranteed, and all the votes I've received today is good evidence of that. Anyone who tries is therefore more likely to be mafia. Simple as that.

If I vote against you - I must be mafia. That is sure funny. Now go and attempt to prove it. My message from Seamus states Townie. I investigated the Rogue Detective because of his actions and the conflicts I saw in the statements, I have been on protection missions, none successful but what the hell lynch me and prove that all you have is the ability to threaten others. Which is exactly the course that will happen.

Reading comprehension FTW

Originally Posted by Redleg

Nice try there Sasaki attempting threats against those that vote against you. A sure fire sign of a guilty individual, and a rather obvious one at that.

that is sure funny.

Originally Posted by Redleg

By the way which one of us uses moderator abilities to spy on others?

Look Redleg, I can't read the thread without gaining an unfair advantage. You sent me the pm in mistake anyway, it would have happened. You are a senior member = you have a larger pm box = unfair advantage. Big whoop. I still don't see why you are so upset at my posting the pm logs in the thread. Viewing who's online has only been used to catch mafia in the past, and never by me I'll have you know.

**Stig** · 01-28-2007, 23:22

hmmmm a draw

**Orb** · 01-28-2007, 23:25

which is Sasaki's win, really, with him as director.

I invite people who think Sasaki's guilty to vote for me instead so at least we keep our detective.

**Redleg** · 01-28-2007, 23:30

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Reading comprehension FTW

Yep you do have some reading comprehension problem

that is sure funny.

Yep you being the bully is sure funny.

Look Redleg, I can't read the thread without gaining an unfair advantage. You sent me the pm in mistake anyway, it would have happened. You are a senior member = you have a larger pm box = unfair advantage. Big whoop. I still don't see why you are so upset at my posting the pm logs in the thread. Viewing who's online has only been used to catch mafia in the past, and never by me I'll have you know.

Your not that smart. Your clever but not as smart as you think. I don't need the moderator functions to figure out what games and actions people are taking.

You can take away the PM function on my screen and I will still read the thread and figure out that your not being honest with the way you play the game, nor are you being honest in the thread either there, and we both know it. What is funny is that you need that advantage - I don't.

Your guilty because your actions make you guilty - who else but someone that is actually guilty makes such a obvious threat as the one that you made. Well feel great that you have survived another round from the lynching vote.

But what the hell its only a game. Oh well two mistakes so far in this game. Trusting pevergreen in the beginning, and then you in the previous round. Oh well others will sooner or latter see the duplicity in your actions.

Have fun, Still waiting an answer for the townies. If I sucide myself and it comes back as townie, will they finally lynch your lieing rear end?

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 01-28-2007, 23:42

Not cool man. You consistantly say I've said something I haven't (e.g. "more likely" != "must"--this game is based on "more likely") and now you're just being insulting.

I haven't learned anything by being a moderator that I couldn't learn as a member. That's the truth. I would have asked someone to check the IP's for The_Don. Anyway, you can hide with an anonymous IP service...like "tor" you know...

I think you've acted suspicious enough to warrant a lynch, suicide is just as good. Btw, time will also reveal whether TS was guilty, and Pannonian as well. By then your the town will have something to measure your judgement by.

If you feel I've been insulting I apologize. The game is for fun, and I think our discussion is getting a little too heavy.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 01-28-2007, 23:45

Standing in the pouring rain
All alone in a world that’s changed
Running scared, now forced to hide
In a land where he once stood with pride
But he’ll find his way by the morning light
-- Louis Perez, 1984

Sunset Day Six

Few people sat down in the meeting room with anything approaching enthusiasm. The excitement only days earlier with the effectiveness of the lynching effort had paled. Too many people had died, too many people were still dying each night. Disputes about evaluation methods and evidence had reached a boiling point.

Sasaki Kojiro was very businesslike at this session – not upbeat, just matter-of-fact.

“We will tally the votes, and the person or persons achieving the highest vote totals will be injected with this variable action poison. It has an unusual effect, causing cumulative nerve damage resulting in brain death. However, the onset of death can be substantially delayed by absolute silence since the initial focus of the drug is on what the shrinks tell us is the part of the brain responsible for speech.”

The balloting concluded and the count began. There had been many changed votes, one or two who waited too long, some odd scribbles, even a few of what the future would come to call “hanging chads,” but in the end two names stood at the top of the list in a tie: Director Sasaki Kojiro and The Stranger.

The committee was chanting: Both…Both…Both…but they knew it was not to be so. Kojiro directed the guards toward The Stranger…and toward The Stranger alone.

The Stranger was taken forward by the guards and injected with the poison. He lasted 20 minutes.

The meeting broke up in silence as the members of the committee went home for the night. Sasaki gazed out at his peers but was not encouraged by the looks he received in return. It would be another long night.

OOC

Begin Night Six. PM’s please. PMs must be received no later than 1400 EST 1/29/7.

The Butcher’s Bill to Date:

Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2), Moros (N3), theRTWGuru (N3)

Lynched: Kralizec (D2) [mafia don], Beirut (D3) [mafia made], pevergreen (D4) [mafia don], Lord Motep of Kendermore (D5), The Stranger (D6)

Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1) [mafia luca], Stig (N2) [wise guy], AggonyDuck (N3) [wise guy], Major Robert Dump (N3) [mafia made], Caius Flaminius (N4) [townie], Sir Boo (N4) [wise guy], Sir Moody (N4) [townie] AndrestheCunning (N4) [wise guy], Dutch_Guy (N5), Sigurd Fafnesbane (N5), Ultrawar (N5)

Suicided: Ichigo, (D2) [townie], Tribesman (D2) [townie], Copperhaired Berzerker (N4), Peasant Phill (N5), theRTWGuru (N5)

WoGged: MarcusBrutus (D5), Hepcat (N5), Ignoramus (N5), Zalmoxis (N5)

Tallies:

Lynching Votes:

Sasaki Kojiro = 9 (ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Doc_Bean, Ironside, Kommodus, Omanes Alexandropalites the Idiot, Redleg, The Stranger, Warluster)

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Crazed Rabbit, Ituralde, Kagemusha, Orb, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 2 (HughTower, Moros)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 10 (Big King Sanctaphrax, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, Xdeathfire)

**Kralizec** · 01-28-2007, 23:47

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Look Redleg, I can't read the thread without gaining an unfair advantage.

Actually, you can. You don't need to be logged in to view the Gameroom or its threads.

Glad to help

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 01-28-2007, 23:50

Originally Posted by Kralizec

Actually, you can. You don't need to be logged in to view the Gameroom or its threads.

Glad to help

Lol, fair enough. I have to log in to post however

Anyway, that kind of thing has never been what the game's about. I get my info from the thread same as the rest of you. Knowing who's invisible etc doesn't tell you anything, trust me I've played on other sites. Being able to argue for your own innocence and for others guilt is a more important skill.

**HughTower** · 01-29-2007, 00:32

Well, that was fun, wasn't it? Killing a townie, excellent work.

I'll look forward to more deaths tonight then as the blood-letting continues.

Sasaki - was that the result of an investigation from when?

See y'all in the am (GMT).

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 01-29-2007, 00:41

Originally Posted by HughTower

Well, that was fun, wasn't it? Killing a townie, excellent work.

I'll look forward to more deaths tonight then as the blood-letting continues.

Sasaki - was that the result of an investigation from when?

See y'all in the am (GMT).

It was Night 4's.

**Orb** · 01-29-2007, 01:26

This thread has 13.63 percent of all gameroom posts.

Very nice

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 01-29-2007, 01:35

Ok some things to go over from the previous day.

Omanes: