Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh, Rabbit's obit will come back as him either being a Made or a Luca. No need for suspense.

Either way, his Don(na) will now have less firepower.

[Moros]

Yes, that could be it. One last go at it: anyone makes soemthing out of that kill with the clues and reference to me and omanes?
I'm dieing toi know.

[Moros]

Oh, Rabbit's obit will come back as him either being a Made or a Luca. No need for suspense.

Either way, his Don(na) will now have less firepower.

are you saying the chances are big that it is proletariat? If so please feel free to elaborate.

[Stig]

You all can vote Sasaki now, but you can also be smart and vote Xdeathfire or another lurker who is still in

[Crazed Rabbit]

I can't be the luca of Kralizec's and Beirut's mafia. I lynched them both.

I think you're suspicious, but I will need to await your obituary.

And might they not have encouraged you to vote for them when the situation became hopeless? And there are three families to begin with, and, it seems, another group has popped up.

Perhaps you work for the white glove mafia and wanted to get one of the obstacles in your path to victory removed without doing it yourself? Funny how you don't even consider that possibility.

Crazed Rabbit

[Csargo]

Xiahou where you at?

[Orb]

Oh, Rabbit's obit will come back as him either being a Made or a Luca. No need for suspense.

Either way, his Don(na) will now have less firepower.

So why would the only real operational Mafia family kill their own associate. It might be one mafioso less, but we shouldn't take the death of non-white gloves to mean anything.

[Orb]

And might they not have encouraged you to vote for them when the situation became hopeless? And there are three families to begin with, and, it seems, another group has popped up.

Perhaps you work for the white glove mafia and wanted to get one of the obstacles in your path to victory removed without doing it yourself? Funny how you don't even consider that possibility.

Crazed Rabbit

Who's the other group?

Edit: Stupid Orb.

[Moros]

Who's the other group?

Edit: Stupid Orb.

2 wiseguy groups it seems. They didn't leave a mark. They could be wiseguys working for the whiteglove. If they get mades, town is dead. As that would mean 8 kills/turn. I think we kinda lost. Tough let us make it as hard as we can for them!

VOTE: Sasaki
Select: Moros. (meh! someone has to be it. After being attacked once and being threatened. I guess I'm wanted. And whatever that mafioso wants. He will not get it. Funny tough, he tought that or DG or TS was my boss? Strange. However sasaki, sorry but your just my best bet.

[Orb]

Select: Redleg

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

That's odd, somebody informed me that my death would occur that night - strange that it didn't.

[Moros]

Select: Redleg

innocent by the inforamtion I just recieved. Also I never really suspected him as he has done only protection groups. I think guys, sasaki is our best bet except for perhaps that lurker.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Perhaps you work for the white glove mafia and wanted to get one of the obstacles in your path to victory removed without doing it yourself? Funny how you don't even consider that possibility.

I did consider that possibilty and already refuted it. here, here and here.

I was rather pleased with it. Why don't you give it a read?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Come on, Wolf.

Who's going to be your patsy this time? I'm dying to find out. Will you claim that Pannonian is the don? Redleg? The Stranger? Me?
Will you go after some poor schmuck like Motep again?

Or are you to busy sending rushed PMs to your Barzini family now? Trying to find excuses you can send them for your monumental cock-up?

Yes! I was so hoping you'd choose me as your patsy.

Oh wait, did I say monumental cock-up?

Now, to go from statements of my innocence made yesterday to "sasaki is guilty" said today by luigi, would require substantial evidence...if he were town. There isn't substantial evidence, so it seems more likely he is mafia. If he really has been convinced by that then he is less perceptive than his other posts indicate.

If I'm town, Sasaki? IF i'm town?

What about your investigation results then? The ones you posted with your forged rogue detective role description?

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N2 Investigation Results

Luigi: Innocent

Don's turn up innocent, don't be tiresome luigi. You're smarter than that.

Yes Sasaki. I knew you'd claim I could be / probably am the don in your next post. In fact, this post of mine was written ages ago, that's why I can respond so quickly.

See, If I'm really the Don of the last family, and you had just revealed yourself as a rogue town detective, then I would have had the town lynch you, wouldn't I?

Remember I only stepped in in the last minute? When you were this close to being hanged? The tally was Sasaki 5, TS 5, Motep 3. I could've posted some rubbish about you, voted you, and you'd been history. With nothing tracing to me. That I was silly enough to save you proves I'm not a don. I'm not that uncunning.

It's simple, if I was a don, I wouldn't have posted what I did. That is completely nonsensical.


Remember our PM conversation we had yesterday? :

After pevergreen turned up mafia I'm paranoid about moles in the network. My plan is to See who gets wrath of godded. If there are people who don't get WoG'd but hardly have any posts, it means they have been pming him. Would be prime candidates for mafia lurkers. Xiahou in particular I noticed, he had 2 posts in the thread before I said that about the lurkers and then he has 2 posts voting me :/

Innocent doesn't mean you aren't a godfather though. Meh. I'm cautious as a matter of principle.

Sasaki

- If I'm a don I would've had you lynched of course. Take that as both a compliment and as proof of my innocence.
You're underestimating either your reputation or my cunningness here.

Hang on, I'm not going to spill my evidence here yet. I'm just going to sit here, taunt you and wait for mistakes in your replies. This PM of yours made me suspicious of you. Want to know why?

BTW, how come your not lamenting that this town has lost another innocent townie like yourself?

[Dutch_guy]

Yes, that could be it. One last go at it: anyone makes soemthing out of that kill with the clues and reference to me and omanes?
I'm dieing toi know.

Hmm, at first I did clearly see my name in it, however, it clearly isn't. Don't know what the mafia is trying to tell us though.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Luigi - That's no proof you haven't since been recruited by a mafia family, even if you started as an innocent townie.

You were innocent on the second night, according to Sasaki (who you claim is a liar).

The white glove mafia had killed one person per night in the first two nights.
On the third night, they killed one and attempted to kill another.
You could very well have joined them at any time after night two, say perhaps on night three, but any investigations done on night two would have said you were innocent.
Coincidence...?

Crazed Rabbit

[Kralizec]

edit: nevermind

[Reenk Roink]

Apparently, nobody is filling me in on the action, so I'm just going to have to: Vote: Reenk Roink and Select: Reenk Roink.

By the way, why did we stop the vote counter thingy?

[Kommodus]

Gah, it's all over for poor Kommodus. Just as well though, I suppose - I never had time to properly play this game, and I still don't.

FYI, I've been part of a protection squad for several turns. Last turn we tried to protect JimBob, but it obviously didn't work because I got killed. I'll keep the identities of my teammates a secret (for their protection of course).

Looks like the mafia may take this one after all; they've clearly been doing a lot of recruiting.

[Motep]

I told you I was freakin innocent!!!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I got BKS as innocent and Redleg as innocent. So I suppose odds are I was wrong about you Redleg

Now here's a funny thing:

Pevergreen: Pannonian is guilty
The_stranger: Pannonian is guilty
Redleg: Pannonian is guilty

Pannonian? Proven innocent.

Pevergreen: Sasaki is guilty
The_Stranger: Sasaki is guilty
Redleg: Sasaki is guilty

Sasaki? You see my point.


But what's most interesting is this "tin star" gang. The white glove is evidently the third mafia family. This new group must have formed from wise guys. The white glove group has two kills which means they must have wise guys. The only sensible thing to do is to eliminate all known wise guys. Now, Warluster got killed last night. Kage is a known wise guy, and I've heard CountArach is one as well, from a contact of mine. Confirm/deny CountArach? Have you been in any protection or kill groups? Kage has claimed to be doing nothing, I think it's likely he's part of the tin star group. There's 5 wise guys dead, out of 10-14 originally. Anyone have any leads on more wise guys?

In my opinion we should get Kage and CountArach to a tie and lynch them both. And any other known wise guys. Stig you were a wise guy, right? You come into contact with any?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh, and let's avoid this whole "bandwagon sasaki because he's sasaki" nonsense. Offer a good reason with your vote.

[Stig]

Offer a good reason with your vote.

I'm Mafia and want a good innocent out?

[HughTower]

Sasaki is what he says he is. So was The Stranger. To vote Sasaki is to kill a detective - his role PM is clearly authentic.

Sasaki - who did you investigate tonight? Or did you kill? I presume you're waiting for two results from N5 as well. When do they arrive?

Now, surely can we pick a lurker to lynch? I start a bandwagon about, first Destroyer of Hope, then Tom_Hagen (a Mafia player of some experience I believe) who almost gets lynched, & then suggest Drisos as a candidate. I then am killed, (by the White Glove mafia, as opposed to the lone star lot).

Both T_H & Drisos then turn up on the thread, breezing away quite happily. This is a big game - lurking pays.

PICK-A-LURKER! PUSH THE WAGON! SPILL SOME LURKER BLOOD!

Pannionian was so desperate to prove his innocence that he suicided. He wants to win this game for the town, clearly.

T_H & Drisos don't really have the time to play, but are still here, chipping in. Amazing, their dedication to the game!

Sasaki states the case against lurkers in his PM to Luigi. It's a viable strategy, & worthy of a bandwagon. If anyone stands in its way (or suddenl presents new evidence), consider them anti-town.

PICK-A-LURKER! PUSH THE WAGON! SPILL SOME LURKER BLOOD!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

To expand on my previous points:

Now this was part of pevergreens original claim that I was guilty:

[QUOTE******] hey man i dont know what your playing at but i'm through with you and your family. i've contacted pannonian and told him i'll be working for him from no on. don't know what your playing at.[/QUOTE]

He claimed that I was "the wolf" and was working for pannonian. Pannonian suicided to prove his innocence. This proves pevergreen a lier and a fabricator of pm's.

Now look at the people voting for me:

luigi: Either townie or the mafia don. Not much proof either way.
Tom_Hagen: lurked most of the game and shows up just in time to avoid WoG. Suspicious.
Kagemusha:Admitted wise guy. Probably mafia
Moros:Innocent for sure, don't know why he's on here.


Not one of them has made a plausible case for me forging the detective pm. Luigi had an attempt but it had major problems (the writing style is clearly seamus's).


Now, we have 5 dead wiseguys. For a new family to form that takes maybe 3. The extra white glove kills probably come from 2 more. OP says 10-14 wise guys, that means in the best case scenario ALL of the living wise guys are mafia. Kage and CountArach simply have to go. I'm inquiring to find more wise guys. Stig says he's pretty sure TS was a wise guy, TS can you confirm/deny? Even though I think you thought you were working for town victory it would help with the numbers.

[Kagemusha]

Sasaki,Sasaki.Before you enter your lynching spree.Why dont you use your detective powers and check me out? Ofcourse it would be great strategy for Mafia collaborator like you to make the town lynch all the wiseguys just to be sure,so meanwhile you and your white glow buddies could walk away with an easy mafia victory, wolf. I would have thought if you are a detective you wouldnt call for lynchings of not confirmed mafiosos rather then investigate people and call for lynching of real mafiosi.

[Redleg]

Now look at the people voting for me:

luigi: Either townie or the mafia don. Not much proof either way.
Tom_Hagen: lurked most of the game and shows up just in time to avoid WoG. Suspicious.
Kagemusha:Admitted wise guy. Probably mafia
Moros:Innocent for sure, don't know why he's on here.


Not one of them has made a plausible case for me forging the detective pm. Luigi had an attempt but it had major problems (the writing style is clearly seamus's).


Now, we have 5 dead wiseguys. For a new family to form that takes maybe 3. The extra white glove kills probably come from 2 more. OP says 10-14 wise guys, that means in the best case scenario ALL of the living wise guys are mafia. Kage and CountArach simply have to go. I'm inquiring to find more wise guys. Stig says he's pretty sure TS was a wise guy, TS can you confirm/deny? Even though I think you thought you were working for town victory it would help with the numbers.

How sure are you of the guilt or innocence of any on your list. As shown alreadly by my results coming back innocent - unless you have investigated that individual you can not be sure of their status.

I know what Kagemusha has been doing - he has been working with me on protection missions for two of the last three night phases. Instead of attempting to lynch him why not investigate him to find out if he comes back guilty.

Tom Hagen explained why he was away in the thread - again instead of just lynching them - another possible townie just like Motep. The number of townie deaths means unless we have a good suspecion on why to lynch them - just taking them out, especially active players seems a little foolish to me.

[HughTower]

Surely, lurkers are more important now. I beg you, they have to go.

Tom Hagen explained why he was away in the thread - again instead of just lynching them - another possible townie just like Motep. The number of townie deaths means unless we have a good suspecion on why to lynch them - just taking them out, especially active players seems a little foolish to me.

And you just believe it. Without question. You're right - you are the perfect patsy.


TOM HAGEN'S CdiT HISTORY

1. He is an experienced Mafia player, who must have known what a game this size would involve.
2. He was inactive, till he was almost lynched (& maybe WOG'd).
3. I started the bandwagon against him & I am killed that night.
4. He turns up & promptly votes against Sasaki, for no good reason.

He should be lynched

You - a vehement fan of lynching Sasaki - turn up to defend him.

Motep was one of the favourite targets of Pannionian. As was The Stranger - who is most likely innocent. Pannionian suicided himself to prove his innocence. He thinks Sasaki is guilty too. Sadly, for all concerned, Pannionian is persuasive & has worked, unwittingly, as a tool for the Mob.

EDIT: to answer Redleg's defense of T_H. EDIT

[Louis VI the Fat]

Nm.

[Redleg]

Surely, lurkers are more important now. I beg you, they have to go.

Why are you protecting them? They don't contribute. Tom_Hagen is very, deeply suspicious. Lynch him.

Because anyone Sasaki suggests needs to have a better explanations then lurker in my opinion.

and Kagemusha has not been a lurker given the list that was published by a dead player who offed himself. Which makes his actions questionable.

[Csargo]

Because anyone Sasaki suggests needs to have a better explanations then lurker in my opinion.

and Kagemusha has not been a lurker given the list that was published by a dead player who offed himself. Which makes his actions questionable.

LYNCH THE LURKER XDEATHFIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GAH!!!!!!!!!