Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Orb]

You were one of the doctors? So GH was lying?

Unvote: Prole
Vote: I don't have a freaking clue, abstain.

You could always vote for me

[Caius]

wher are the detectives?

[Kagemusha]

I'm sure you would. It's real funny that GH tells you he's a doctor night one and he ends up dead that night

Sasaki, old buddy.It seems we have some serious trust issues between each other. Cant you believe that i have been pro town all way long? Gah,i would vote you but you are dead,wolfie!

[Louis VI the Fat]

This inter-mafia warfare has been doing all our work. Can we safely assume that:

Corleone - don: Pevergreen, luca: GH, made: MRD. Sign: Strangled with Piano Wire. (No kill)
Tataglia - don: Kralizec, luca: HughTower, made: Beirut. Sign: note pinned to body.
Barzini - donna: Proletariat, luca: Crazed Rabbit, made: Reenk Roink. Sign: white glove.

Tin Star Texas Rangers: CountArach, DoH, Drisos.

Is this correct?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah. Probabably the least deserved town victory evar.

[GeneralHankerchief]

No, hold on a minute. Assuming Barzini is White Glove and that Rabbit killed me (which he says he did), then something's wrong. There was a note on my corpse.

Also, Rabbit was a Made, not a Luca.

[Pindar]

Hmmm, Kralizec has a point, and I have thought of this. There's two questions I cannot answer...

1) If GH is telling the truth, why did he screw over his family by not sharing Sasaki's post with them?

2) Rabbit was out of the blocks running. He's not trying to distance himself, he's already dead. Who is he protecting, and why?

This is interesting. I don't understand the whole dead being able to take any action any way (it seems wrong as the dead are...dead). This seems a flaw in the game and certainly unsportsmanlike. Even so, the dead are posting, making charges and evidently fairly inconsistent: Why 'screw' your own team, watch them die and then much, much latter reemerge with charges that could have made one's team quite powerful. Mighty queersome.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki, old buddy.It seems we have some serious trust issues between each other. Cant you believe that i have been pro town all way long? Gah,i would vote you but you are dead,wolfie!

Oh, we both know better than that Kage.

[Xiahou]

You could always vote for me

Man, somebody has a deathwish.

Vote:Orb

[Louis VI the Fat]

Crazed Rabbit, if it can mend relations a bit, GH and I only made our first PM contact after you were dead. I made an educated guess that you were mafia.
Nobody was more amazed than me that you got whacked the very same night. I'm still dying to find out if I had anything to do with your mafia death or if that is just wishful thinking.


I like the white glove thingy of the Barzinis. How very classy and feminine to turn a murder into a fashion statement.

Yes, Redleg, I, others, it would appear Kralizec too, were already discussing this option. We were suspicious, of RR too, but nothing more than that. I don't know if we would've figured it out, or if the town even would've had enough time without GH's revelations. Or CR's about the tin stars for that matter.



Or are we all being duped, are we led astray? Is there an evil genius plotting behind the scenes to bring doom and disaster over this town after all...?

Vote: Orb

[Don Corleone]

This is interesting. I don't understand the whole dead being able to take any action any way (it seems wrong as the dead are...dead). This seems a flaw in the game and certainly unsportsmanlike. Even so, the dead are posting, making charges and evidently fairly inconsistent: Why 'screw' your own team, watch them die and then much, much latter reemerge with charges that could have made one's team quite powerful. Mighty queersome.

The general rule has been (spoken or unspoken) that the dead can talk and cast dispersions, but they cannot reveal anything they didn't reveal in life. GH says that Seamus gave him permission to do a post-mortem reveal.

As for the why, I have no idea why GH didn't share this with his team, or the town earlier. On the first point, he says that since he got killed the first night, he didn't feel any loyalty to them. I guess he blamed them. On the second, he claimed he was backing Sasaki until Sasaki got lynched. Now he's saying that Prole really is the Don, but that CR was in fact in a different gang. I can't keep up, to tell you the truth. GH seems shakier and shakier with each post.

And if either way, if CR is telling the truth or if he's lying, he's one sneaky son-of-a-gun. If he's telling the truth, he's giving up the goods on his own Don(na), to hurry up and the game because he got tired of being on the sidelines. If he's lying (and I'm starting to think more and more he is), he's got another Don on the side that we haven't even considered yet. I think when this is over, CR should run for Congress.

[Reenk Roink]

The only reason I posted on this game at all was to not to disrespectful to my former partner. Sorry Seamus, I know this game will go down as legendary, but I never understood it at all. It was confusion and feeling left out and not apathy man.

I just glimpsed at some of the stuff said, and I'm not even going to try and refute them because I don't know where to begin.

Vote: Reenk Roink
Select: Reenk Roink

I will refute one thing though. My name is "Reenk". Not "Reeink" or "Reenik" or "Renix"

[Proletariat]

Nice job, town. I'm not bothering to try and save myself here, just getting it in before what's happened is brought out for the rest of the players. Falling for this CR, Sasaki, GH sham is a joke.

You really believe Crazed Rabbit was my made and as soon as I got serious suspicion in the thread, he'd throw his hands up and start flying off the handle in the thread? Pretty crappy made, if that were the case. Ending every question in his posts since with tons of '?!?!!!'?

You really believe that General H, the guy who brought mafia to the org, probably the most experianced mafia player here, found out I was a rival Don, and never told his own mafia to wax me? LOL

Dead townies are encouraged in the rules to stay involved after they're dead, to pull for a mafia win. We have an innocent townie who killed himself, just to prove it, to further the cause. Yet you all believe General bleeding H just throws in the towel after his death and says 'I couldn't give a damn if my family wins this, since I'm dead.' Sounds a little unbelievably selfish to me.

If GH actually got a PM stating my role and my mafia, why wouldn't he have exposed it earlier or had his family target us? Because he was sticking up for his buddy, Sasaki (shown to be the most low of liars in this game, yet his word becomes gold when it's attached to GH's)? Haha

The town deserves this loss. Only request Redleg, a last cigarette, please

[Kagemusha]

Oh, we both know better than that Kage.

What we know now better?

[Pindar]

Yes, Redleg, I, others, it would appear Kralizec too, were already discussing this option. We were suspicious, of RR too, but nothing more than that. I don't know if we would've figured it out, or if the town even would've had enough time without GH's revelations. Or CR's about the tin stars for that matter.

The general rule has been (spoken or unspoken) that the dead can talk and cast dispersions, but they cannot reveal anything they didn't reveal in life. GH says that Seamus gave him permission to do a post-mortem reveal.

I'm confused. GH's type of reveal is considered poor play. It is recognized as a critical, potentially game turning incident. And, Seamus gave the go ahead to have this done? Why?

Or, is there another agenda at work? Is this a plans within plans approach to things?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

To the best of my knowledge, the game is not over. Since I'm hosting it, I hope that counts for something. If you have questions, PM me. If I can answer without giving away stuff I shouldn't, I will. I'll get teh N7 PM stuff out as quick as I can.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What we know now better?

Oh you know what we know you know now

[Redleg]

The town deserves this loss. Only request Redleg, a last cigarette, please

One last cigarette then.

I really was hoping that you would provide information about your activities so that we could prove you innocent. So that I could narrow down the list of suspects, but what an eloquent plea of "I don't give a damn, your a bunch of knuckleheads"

Where are those clapping hands - well done.

[Kagemusha]

Oh you know what we know you know now

Lol!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lol!

I'd like everyone to note Kage's confession

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oy.

I apologized to Seamus after I posted the reveal when I saw Rabbit's reaction. Seamus exonerated me, and thus I have no regrets since he had no qualms about it.

Believe what you want about my loyalties, but it's the truth. After my death I was pretty disgusted with the game and didn't really look at it for a few days aside from the occasional post pointing everyone to that fake list of mine. By the time I got back into the game, my family was dead.

And to those who are claiming conspiracy by me, Rabbit, and Sasaki, there's one minor problem:

WE'RE ALL DEAD.

[Pindar]

To the best of my knowledge, the game is not over. Since I'm hosting it, I hope that counts for something. If you have questions, PM me. If I can answer without giving away stuff I shouldn't, I will. I'll get teh N7 PM stuff out as quick as I can.

This doesn't seem to support the Seamus gave me permission to reveal stance. Does then mean the GH 'reveal' isn't a reveal, but something else?

[Andres]

Hmmm...

So GH has a reputation of an experienced and fair player?

So now he posts this: I betray my family because I'm death anyway...

But he knows nobody would believe him!

And thus, the townies will not lynch Proletariat and his Donna is saved.

He saves his Donna by combining 1) a confession which is in fact the truth and nothing but the truth with 2) his good reputation so nobody will believe his confession... And they add Crazed Rabbit who will turn out to be an Oscar worthy actor at the end of the game.

I think GH tells the truth but wants the town to believe he is lying.

He's a very good player and he's gambling.

Me think you have to lynch Proletariat and Reei... Renik... Roiee.. whatever.

C'mon GH, don't tell me you wouldn't dare to take this risk.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

lol Andre.

[Don Corleone]

Okay, so here's where things stand:

GH issued a reveal of Sasaki's role, after Sasaki got lynched, in which he claimed Sasaki was the wolf, had shared his PM with him on the very first night, and that Prole was the remaining Don(na). He didn't tell his family this because he was pissed about getting killed in the game, he just let them die. He comes back, and starts working with Sasaki behind the scenes. Then Sasaki gets lynched, by the town, and GH decides now he's pissed at the other family and wants a town win, so hence, the reveal.

In the meantime, Crazed Rabbit, who's supposed to be Prole's assistant, immediately hops up and says yep, he's right, and Prole's the one to lynch. And proceeds to post 8 messages saying we should lynch prole, who is supposedly his boss. And his whole motivation? He's bored watching the game from the sidelines?

Then Sasaki shows up and, even though he's never been particularly concise in the past, answers with a simple "Yep, everything they said was true, next question...".

I'm sorry, there's no way this adds up. Prole may very well be a mafia. Hell, she might even be a don of a reformed Tattaglia clan. But this whole thing from GH, CR and Sasaki stinks. It only makes sense if you consider one possiblity... yes, GH and CR are both dead.

But what if they're both on the same family, and they're trying to protect their surviving don and/or other members? Prole might be in the Tattaglia clan, she might even be a Barzini... she hasn't exactly done a great job defending herself, maybe she's taking one for the team... she is not the Don of the Barzini clan. I don't know who that is, but it's not her. The fact that they included Reenk in this whole thing and he's not answering sort of exonerates him as well. Now, Redleg is the director. So I can't vote for him.

But the next false reveal, claim of a role, claim of knowledge of a role without actual proof or another fake fight by a living person, and that's who I'm voting for. I'm putting the dead on my ignore list until the end of the game.

[Kagemusha]

I'd like everyone to note Kage's confession

Allright,allright Sasaki you got me.Here is my role PM:

Your Role: Kamikaze

Your role in this game is Kamikaze. In order to gain total victory, you dont have to do anything, just die and victory is yours.

I have tryed my best but it seems i just cant pull it off.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I'm confused. GH's type of reveal is considered poor play. It is recognized as a critical, potentially game turning incident. And, Seamus gave the go ahead to have this done? Why?

Or, is there another agenda at work? Is this a plans within plans approach to things?

I don't know.

Even the townies have played the game of staged in-fighting in this game. It is much easier for mobsters, who are much more sure of their respective identities, to pull the same stunt off. We'll just have to listen carefully. I'm following Pannonians advice that townies having an open discussion is a good defense.

For example, I'm struggling with the rules a bit. How many mafia members must their mathematically still be in the game for the amount of kills they managed to make?

Also, CR claims he killed GH. GH claims CR belonged to Prole, CR, RR - the white gloves as far as we know. Yet a note was pinned to GH's pillow.


Ah well, let's hang Proletariat first and worry about it later.

Vote: Proletariat.

Edit: oh, Unvote: Orb

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unofficial vote count:

Proletariat 4 (orb,omanes,AtPG,luigi)
Reenk Roink 4 (Moros,Ituralde,Kage,Reenk Roink)

[Don Corleone]

That is IT!!!!

But the next false reveal, claim of a role, claim of knowledge of a role without actual proof or another fake fight by a living person, and that's who I'm voting for. I'm putting the dead on my ignore list until the end of the game.

Allright,allright Sasaki you got me.Here is my role PM:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Your Role: Kamikaze

Your role in this game is Kamikaze. In order to gain total victory, you dont have to do anything, just die and victory is yours.


I have tryed my best but it seems i just cant pull it off.

VOTE: Kagemusha

[Kagemusha]

That is IT!!!!





VOTE: Kagemusha

Sorry DC.I just couldnt resist the urge to post that.