Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I am confused

Mafia cannot protect. Redleg is obviously not mafia. Tom_Hagen, you were on Redleg's list of people to contact for the killing. They all seem very pro-town, Lugi even sent me a PM telling me to edit a post before the Mafia could get to it, so I stick with them fully.

[Kagemusha]

I am confused

Mafia cannot protect. Redleg is obviously not mafia.

Omanes forget Redleg and look at Moros.He is lyibg and proving himself a lier,while claiming to be a detective.Vote Moros.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Moros innocent or gulity, he is providing me with detective results. He has his uses: mafia or not.

[Ituralde]

My main reason for changing the vote was to keep the tie on Proletariat and Reenk Roink, because luigi withdrew his vote for Prole, if I have miscounted please correct me. For now I beleive Moros and see no harm in pursuing Pindar. If that makes me Mafia in your eyes so be it.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

And I haven't seen a PM return from Seamus (I can't investgate). Does he tell you what the party did every night? I thought investegations just said innocent, criminal, guilty, inconclusive.

It can show information about previous actions too and even their role.

[Don Corleone]

I am confused

Mafia cannot protect. Redleg is obviously not mafia. Tom_Hagen, you were on Redleg's list of people to contact for the killing. They all seem very pro-town, Lugi even sent me a PM telling me to edit a post before the Mafia could get to it, so I stick with them fully.

First, we have no way of knowing that he ever really protected. I wondered about this too, but in fact, Redleg said we shoudl copy each other on PMs for protection. I didn't get any from him the past couple of nights.

Second, you tried to recruit me to go kill Prole, Xiahou and Reenk and Luigi blessed it. Sorry, your credibility with me is zero at the moment.

[Kagemusha]

My main reason for changing the vote was to keep the tie on Proletariat and Reenk Roink, because luigi withdrew his vote for Prole, if I have miscounted please correct me. For now I beleive Moros and see no harm in pursuing Pindar. If that makes me Mafia in your eyes so be it.

Im not accusing you of anything.Just asking how you can believe somebody is detective when he claims to be on townie protection groups and investigating simulataneosly,which is against the rules.

[Don Corleone]

My main reason for changing the vote was to keep the tie on Proletariat and Reenk Roink, because luigi withdrew his vote for Prole, if I have miscounted please correct me. For now I beleive Moros and see no harm in pursuing Pindar. If that makes me Mafia in your eyes so be it.

Look, I was in a protection racket with BKS and Pindar last night. We protected Ironside. I got copied on Pindar's PM to Seamus. BKS can back this up. There's no way Moros could have gotten a result that Pindar went out killing every single night.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

You are most certainly a Mafioso stirring up trouble!

Results can be unreliable, there is a 3 in 10 chance that results for townees will appear unclear/criminal even if they have done nothing.

[Don Corleone]

You are most certainly a Mafioso stirring up trouble!

Results can be unreliable, there is a 3 in 10 chance that results for townees will appear unclear/criminal even if they have done nothing.

You come to me and tell me that you want me to go kill somebody, and somehow I'm the mafia ? Pretty conveniant Ormanes, anybody that disagrees with you must be mafia. You must be taking lessons from Sasaki.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Don, I can confirm Moros. I told him to investigate pindar a couple rounds ago. He didn't just make that up today. In addition look at these pm logs:

Are you a townie in Seamus's mafia game?

Sasaki

Maybe, are you?

This is funny, I've sent bunches of these and that's the response I get every time.

Yes I am, are you?

Sasaki

I am of course an upstanding member of the community! Do you know the townie secret handshake?

I've been using this:

What word is in all caps in the "PM's" section of your townie pm, other than "PM"?

Sasaki

That is a detailed way of asking my status, but doesn't tell me if you do know the townie secret handshake.

I'm still wanting to make sure I understand the rules so I'm uncertain what I can reveal or not. I'm a simple fellow you see.

Does that sound innocent to you?

[Kagemusha]

Don, I can confirm Moros. I told him to investigate pindar a couple rounds ago. He didn't just make that up today. In addition look at these pm logs:




Does that sound innocent to you?

Sasaki.You didnt answer to me.Is it inside game limits to investigate and be a part of townie protection group simultaneously?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki.You didnt answer to me.Is it inside game limits to investigate and be a part of townie protection group simultaneously?

I'm not an expert on the rules, but Moros said he was so he was. Simple.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm truly sorry for this guys, but it looks like we've all been played.

Chatlog doesn't get interesting until the end. I am Hankerchief64, Sasaki is PinbillWizard.

Hankerchief64: now things are getting weird.
PinballWizard191: haha
PinballWizard191: I can't even keep track of it
PinballWizard191: I've been lying too much to too many people
Hankerchief64: Rabbit, most likely white glove, claims to have killed me but I am killed by the note-pinners
PinballWizard191: well, I don't think anyting can stop the prole/rr lynch now
Hankerchief64: yep
PinballWizard191: so I think I'm in the clear
Hankerchief64: although my reputation is so untrustworthy that they just might survive
PinballWizard191: there's like 23 left right?
Hankerchief64: Pannonian counts 21
PinballWizard191: with a double lynch, 19 then
PinballWizard191: hmm 3 or 4 kills
Hankerchief64: not if two Made gangsters get taken out via lynch
PinballWizard191: ;-)
Hankerchief64: more likely one or two, not counting suicides/WoGs
PinballWizard191: well, we'll just see
Hankerchief64: holy shite, Orb has two votes
PinballWizard191: what!?
PinballWizard191: hmm
Hankerchief64: Xiahou and Loius
PinballWizard191: brb
Hankerchief64: sure
PinballWizard191: hmm, what have they found to make them vote that
Hankerchief64: Xiahou: Man, somebody has a deathwish.
Hankerchief64: Louis: Or are we all being duped, are we led astray? Is there an evil genius plotting behind the scenes to bring doom and disaster over this town after all...?

PinballWizard191: luigi posted like teh opposite a little before
PinballWizard191: hmm
PinballWizard191: bogus
Hankerchief64: and Orb is a bit too evil, I know this from experience on another forum
Hankerchief64: but he was convinced that you were a Detective...
Hankerchief64: utterly.
Hankerchief64: O_o
PinballWizard191: heh
PinballWizard191: I think I have some pm'ing to do
Hankerchief64: heh
Hankerchief64: have fun
PinballWizard191: you like that detective reveal btw?
Hankerchief64: that was quite nice
Hankerchief64: did you do it yourself?
PinballWizard191: it's the real pm
PinballWizard191: I got the detective to send it to me
Hankerchief64: and you just twisted it a bit?
PinballWizard191: made up the results
Hankerchief64: nice
PinballWizard191: pm is word for word though
PinballWizard191: frickin delayed result even numbered odd numbered stuff had me pulling my hair out though
PinballWizard191: I had to make sure the date and time were correct for the pm's since I quoted that bit too
Hankerchief64: hehe
Hankerchief64: somehow I have trouble imagining you without anything but a hood
PinballWizard191: that's funny, my sweatshirt has a blue hood
Hankerchief64: I think I'm gonna have to stay out of these games for a LOOONNNG time in order for my reputation to recover
PinballWizard191: mine is permanently damaged
PinballWizard191: but I like defending myself
Hankerchief64: heh
Hankerchief64: it's fun to a point
PinballWizard191: the only thing that annoys me is defending against ridiculous accusations when I actually AM guilty
Hankerchief64: what, you mean lying?
PinballWizard191: just bad logic
Hankerchief64: ah
PinballWizard191: because they are actually right, you know
PinballWizard191: arg
Hankerchief64: yes
Hankerchief64: unfortunately
Hankerchief64: perhaps it's best if we just shut up for a while
Hankerchief64: since nobody will ever believe my reasons
PinballWizard191: nah, keep posting, your doing fine
Hankerchief64:
Hankerchief64: *narrow eyed smiley*
PinballWizard191: hmmmm?
PinballWizard191: holy crap my pm box is full!
Hankerchief64: oh noes
PinballWizard191: :goodposting:
PinballWizard191: they still seem reasonably convinced
Hankerchief64: convinced of what?
Hankerchief64: I think we need a premature commentary from Seamus on this
PinballWizard191: on what?
Hankerchief64: everything :P
PinballWizard191: haha, no what specifically
Hankerchief64: the initial roles handed out
PinballWizard191: it's like he said in OP?
PinballWizard191: moros is one detective, jimbob "magically" became the 2nd, I believe cowhead is the FBI detective
PinballWizard191: well maybe
PinballWizard191: probably not if you want to know the truth
Hankerchief64: I think I'll just start Mafia VI in a day or something
PinballWizard191: cool
Hankerchief64: lol, check out Andres' post
PinballWizard191: haha
Hankerchief64: "So GH has a reputation of an experienced and fair player?"
Hankerchief64: I'm going to get lynched in Round 1 in every game for a month for this
PinballWizard191: heh
PinballWizard191: the stranger said as much to me
PinballWizard191: gah, don's always so paranoid
Hankerchief64: hehe
Hankerchief64: "I'm putting the dead on my ignore list until the end of the game."
PinballWizard191: lol
PinballWizard191: He unvoted when I said I was doctor last page
Hankerchief64: haha
PinballWizard191: doctor is my least favorite role
Hankerchief64: I think Godfather 2 permanently messed up his brain
PinballWizard191: mostly just wild guesses, but you have a responsability to stay alive. most annoying
PinballWizard191: heh, yeah
PinballWizard191: he got caught in the crossfire there
PinballWizard191: the innocent were accusing him and the mafia defending him
Hankerchief64: heh
Hankerchief64: it's always fun to have a punching bag
PinballWizard191: ah, luigi's voting for prole again
Hankerchief64: yaaaaay
Hankerchief64: for all I know this could be a diabolical plan initiated by you early on in the game
PinballWizard191: lol
Hankerchief64: and we're all your puppets
Hankerchief64: or maybe Seamus is pulling an "evil narrator" on us
PinballWizard191: hah, don't think so
Hankerchief64: at least the game isn't spammy anymore
PinballWizard191: heh
Hankerchief64: well I think I'm going to stop posting
Hankerchief64: left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth
PinballWizard191: hmm
PinballWizard191: Well, if you're really leaving?
Hankerchief64: yep
PinballWizard191: It may make you feel better to know that you've actually been helping us
PinballWizard191: I was lying to you early on about the Barzinis, and in the pm I forwarded you
PinballWizard191: did you really think I would reveal so much to you :p
PinballWizard191: Sorry about putting the hit on you, but it was necassary.
Hankerchief64: you serious?
PinballWizard191: yeah
PinballWizard191: sorry dude, it had to be done
Hankerchief64: no it didn't.
Hankerchief64: there was no reason for you to off me
Hankerchief64: I was considering helping yuo
Hankerchief64: you*
PinballWizard191: I couldn't take that risk
Hankerchief64: you suck dude.
Hankerchief64: you ruined my reputation for nothing
PinballWizard191: I'm really sorry
Hankerchief64: go to hell

I was honestly convinced that Prole & co were mafia. I am truly sorry for this confusion. Sasaki played most of us.

I'm just going to watch the remainder of this game in silence.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Unlycnh: Proletariat
Lynch: Moros


Gotta run, so I can't keep a tally.

[Louis VI the Fat]

And Barzini #4 steps to the plate.

Four already, hey? Wow. And Crazed Rabbit, let's not forget him! That makes five.

Oh, and nevermind Crazed Rabbit being shot after I exposed him as mafia.

Or did you mean those tin star guys then? Those three or four? Who apparantly, between these three / four and us four didn't manage a single kill last night?


Redleg, Luigi VI, Ituralde and Moros have been on so many protection missions
between the four of us that I doubt you'll find many townies left who haven't joined us or were protected by one of us. Give it up alright, Tom.

I don't know if you just missed the first 2000 posts, and are a bit overwhelmed by having to read it all in one go. Or whether your sudden reappearance in the thread at the end-game means you're starting to sweat about your buddies being exposed at last.

[Kagemusha]

I'm not an expert on the rules, but Moros said he was so he was. Simple.

So in other words it isnt.People please vote Moros now!Town cant loose this game becouse we just ingnore evidence that one time we have it straight under our noses.

[Don Corleone]

Four already, hey? Wow. And Crazed Rabbit, let's not forget him! That makes five.

Oh, and nevermind Crazed Rabbit being shot after I exposed him as mafia.

Or did you mean those tin star guys then? Those three or four? Who apparantly, between these three / four and us four didn't manage a single kill last night?


Redleg, Luigi VI, Ituralde and Moros have been on so many protection missions
between the four of us that I doubt you'll find many townies left who haven't joined us or were protected by one of us. Give it up alright, Tom.

I don't know if you just missed the first 2000 posts, and are a bit overwhelmed by having to read it all in one go. Or whether your sudden reappearance in the thread at the end-game means you're starting to sweat about your buddies being exposed at last.

Actually, I don't really think Ituralde is #4. I was trying to make a point. But Moros doctoring up PMs (and not very well) and now we come to find out that Sasaki actually set GH up to frame Prole (though his behavior still doesn't make any sense). I don't know how CR fits into all this, but I don't think he's working with you, Redleg and Moros. And I know you've got protection rackets going. Who was on your first one? Remember? I don't know if you corrupted Redleg or he corrupted you, but I know very well what the 2 of you are up to.

[Caius]

Why you dont vote for Prole and finish the game?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

You come to me and tell me that you want me to go kill somebody, and somehow I'm the mafia ? Pretty conveniant Ormanes, anybody that disagrees with you must be mafia. You must be taking lessons from Sasaki.

Well you are a little suspicious announcing to the the world who I want to kill so that a protection group can be organised.

[Don Corleone]

Well you are a little suspicious announcing to the the world who I want to kill so that a protection group can be organised.

I'm suspicous? I STARTED the protection racket that Luigi used as cover. Ask him, I PM'd him and Banquo the first night. You use it as context to come to me and ask me to whack somebody (why did Xiahou even come up, by the way). When I ask Luigi about it, he tells me to go ahead and whack somebody. And the two of you have the chutzpah to say I'm suspicious?

Well, I'll give the two of you credit for sticking to your story, in the face of pretty damning evidence, I'll give you that...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I explained to you fully that I am a towniee who is PRO-TOWN, why else would I have joined The Stranger in his to protect Moros and kill Mafioso when they appear. I still believe Moros, Lugi and Redleg, they appear much more pro-town right now that you do.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Im not accusing you of anything.Just asking how you can believe somebody is detective when he claims to be on townie protection groups and investigating simulataneosly,which is against the rules.

Game over, Kagemusha.

I just received this from Seamus:

Originally Posted by luigi VI di Fatlington
Hello Seamus,



Can a detective or a rogue detective investigate and protect during the same night?


thanks.

Yes. With a few exceptions/limitations (varies by role), all investigation can occur in addition to "standard" night actions.

Oh, and in case anybody doubts the validity of it, I suggest you PM Seamus yourself and find out.

Vote: Pindar.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm truly sorry for this guys, but it looks like we've all been played.

Chatlog doesn't get interesting until the end. I am Hankerchief64, Sasaki is PinbillWizard.



I was honestly convinced that Prole & co were mafia. I am truly sorry for this confusion. Sasaki played most of us.

I'm just going to watch the remainder of this game in silence.

LOL, noone even cares anymore, GH. You've been played. No hard feelings over the fake anger? Sorry if I came off too strident.

Crazed Rabbit

[Kagemusha]

I dont believe that before i see it posted here by Seamus.

[Don Corleone]

I explained to you fully that I am a towniee who is PRO-TOWN, why else would I have joined The Stranger in his work. I still believe Moros, Lugi and Redleg, they appear much more pro-town right now that you do.

I started the protection group Luigi is in. The only evidence I have of you being pro-town is your say-so. What's more, you came to me to try to arrange a hit on somebody, but you claim you're pro-town. Sorry, that looks like the efforts of a wise-guy, working for a family.

As it stands, if we're to believe GH that he really did get a PM naming Prole in the first place, we now have to believe that he was duped by Sasaki and in fact, Prole really isn't the 3rd godfather. Who would that be? My guess is our esteemed director, and I imagine I'll die tonight, which should just about prove it.

[Orb]

Come on, where's the anti-Orb bandwagon I wanted!

[Louis VI the Fat]

I dont believe that before i see it posted here by Seamus.

Rubbish. You can PM Seamus yourself and find out. Takes two seconds.

[Xiahou]

For what's probably one of the worst PM forgeries in recent memory, I'm going to have to:

unvote
vote: Moros

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The Current Tally 1314 EST 2/1/7:

Moros = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, JimBob, Kagemusha, Proletariat, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou)

Proletariat = 4 ( ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, Orb)

Pindar = 3 (Ituralde, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros)

Reenk Roink = 3 (Cowhead418, Doc_bean, Reenk Roink)

Not Voting = 5 (Big King Sanctaphrax, Ironside, Papewaio, Pindar, Redleg [director])

36 Deceased. 21 Still Breathing



Edit: updated time/vote tally.

Re: Investigations and night actions. Night actions and investigations are NOT exclusive. Some roles have volume limitations attached to night action & investigation combos.