Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Andres]

What do you mean, you only said to kill Caius Flaminius (Sorry Caius)...

I tried to convince the town to lynch her. I didn't want us to kill her.

Ah, and sorry Caius

[Reenk Roink]

What an odd night. I read a long discussion of what fruit I am, the game ends, Sidney Crosby gets two assists even though he was sitting on the bench, and I dream that I get into a fight with Gilbert Arenas...

Great game Seamus, it is legendary...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You mean... it's over???

Sorry I didn't participate more - I'm still on a break from mafia due to lack of time - but I still check in sometimes just to see what's going on. Please forgive my ignorance, but... why is it over again? Proletariat and Reenk Roink were still alive, so why did they leave town?

With no Wise Guys willing to be recruited (only Kage left!), their ability to kill had been nullified. Thus, it was a question of time with 3 baddies and 11 townies -- most of whom were in league -- remaining. Rather than drag it to the bitter end, I asked if the Barzinia would prefer to bow out gracefully. Essentially, the story had been written, this was just a way to avoid a relatively predictable and low-energy finish.

This was indeed an excellent game, supremely confusing and highly interactive. Kudos to Seamus Fermanagh for the excellent hosting! Your ideas were truly unique, and this has undoubtedly been the most vibrant mafia game the Org has seen! I gotta say, not half bad for your first game.

Thanks you sir. As the phrase goes, only because "I stood on the shoulders..."

[Kagemusha]

This was a complex one. As i got my wiseguy pm i thought to play with a risk and contacted GH in order to create a vigilante group to kill of the original mafias.Little i knew that i was talking into into a Luca of the Corleones and made my first mistake by trusting him,but we managed to create a group between Me,GH,Sigurd and Caius. The idea was to form a syndicate where only the original members knew each other and new members would only know the one who hired them in to the syndicate.
Our original target was to kill Sasaki,but it was called off becouse there was a high risk of being detected as guilty by a detective in a first round.
Then after first kills, GH was gone and he revealed our little group. This made me believe that GH wasnt a townie and i decided to confirm my wiseguy status in order to survive for few rounds.
This also lead to the fact that Sigurd and Caius abandoned our cause,while i still suggested to continue with our group while exposed in the thread.
After that i was talking with bunch of people via pm, but was not able to create anything solid so i decided to take a neutral stand which resulted in sleeping the nights and gathering information from various sources. At one point Redleg suggested to lynch me and after pm converstation he believed the fact that i was indeed what i had sayed to be.
I tryed to help Redleg on his protection groups,but for some reason we were not successfull. After few rounds i was contacted by mysterious "messenger",which i believe was Crazed Rabbit. I informed Redleg that i was contacted and we decided to create a trap for this messenger, by Redleg creating a protection group for JimBob,while i would go along with the attack in order to infiltrate the mafia family that "messenger" represented. Well this wasnt succesfull either becouse our killing group was not succesfull,i believe becouse Rabbit was killed and Orb didnt join it in the end. After that i became suspicious about Redleg and Luigi and believed that it would be possible that the guys could have been running a scheme with protection groups,while were actually Mafioso. After talking with Prole, i was getting more and more suspicious about Red&Luigi,everything just seemed to go their way. Soon i was contacted by Tom Hagen and he suggested the same theory i had,which he must have had from Proletariat. For a round i worked effectively with Tom Hagen and Pindar,believing that Red&Luigi were Mafia.This also resulted in attacking Moros in the thread and i really thought that he had fabricated his investigation results. But after the next night when i was part of failed protection group of Tom Hagen and he was still protected+ Pindar was saved,while his protection group also failed to materialize.I wasnt sure about anything anymore. So i abandoned them and rest of the game i just drifted and waited what would happen. So in the end i trusted lot of wrong people including: GH,Prole and Tom Hagen(Very well played Lady and the gentlemen ) and one of the pro townies Redleg. What i have to say in the end is that awesomely played by the duo of Redleg and Luigi VI Fatlington. With townie roles you were essential in saving the town from the Mafia.

[Kommodus]

With no Wise Guys willing to be recruited (only Kage left!), their ability to kill had been nullified.

Ah... but I thought that Mafia Dons had the ability to kill if all their family members were eliminated? Ok, so I guess that wasn't quite the case here, since the Luca was still alive... hm, I see what you mean.

Besides luck, Kommodus missend of a PM, if this is really to be beleived, really helped me to get in touch with a few doctors.

Heheh, that was absolutely real dude! You had said some things during the previous day that made me think you deserved protection, so I tried to contact my previous protection team (doc_bean and Ironside) to propose this. Unfortunately I typed your name into the "To" list instead of Ironside's.

The mistake ended up paying off, though. You joined the team along with JimBob, while doc_bean left to create his own group citing infiltration concerns (I don't think he trusted me). After you told me your role and left the group, I contacted luigi VI di Fatlington and recruited him. He was part of the team that saved JimBob (the same night I was promoted to doctor/killed).

I have one confession to make - I gave your role away to certain members of my team, including Ironside and luigi. This was an error in judgement; I was trying to explain to them why I wanted you protected, and gave away too much info. Sorry.

I guess we got a bit lucky, though. Great game!

EDIT:

After this I ended up on CR:s list of potential tin star mafia, so after this recent role change I decided that protection could be good, so I asked for Ituralde's protection, whom I'm not sure knew of me a the time. Kommodus might not have revealed my name as doc_bean didn't want to reveal his.

That's true - I didn't reveal your identity to Ituralde initially (just being on the safe side). Later on he contacted me and told me he'd been contacted by you, and asked me to confirm your claims. This I did gladly - my status as a now-confirmed innocent townie helped.

I got your message asking me to back up your reveal. I'd have done this if I ever felt it was necessary; however, no one seemed to be taking CR's accusation of you seriously, and it never appeared that you were in danger of being lynched. So I just kept quiet.

[Sigurd]

Great game... and many posts .. many

In fact I probably only read a tenth part of it... Yeah this is my achilles heel. Too many posts and I can't keep up.
And I was killed by a lap dancer? Alright Pindar and CR, care to elaborate?

Sigurd

[Don Corleone]

Well, the Barzinis had a secret weapon that GH's reveal (you suck, GH) forced us to abandon. I was able to remain as a townie throughout most of the game. Just as the name of my charcter in the movies, my role was to support the family by working with the town and defending the family from the outside. It was working really well. Too well, in fact. I felt really guilty about misleading Luigi and Redleg, and in a way, GH's reveal (you suck, GH) and it's subsequent forcing me to defend Prole so vehemently (and taking up killing again) was a relief.

When GH revealed (you suck, GH) we were all crapping in our pants. I went too far out on a limb too early, but I had too, I couldn't let steam build. Then some of the rest of the Barzinis started to chime in, this let me back off from the defense somewhat and actually publicly consider Prole as a suspect. Then, an unbelievable gift fell into my lap. Omanes asked me to join a killing crew. I figured it was just the town trying to take matters into their own hands, but I also knew this was my out, and salvation for Prole. So I PM'd Luigi and Redleg with it. Red was smart enough not to answer, but luck was with me, and Luigi responded in a mildly lukewarm way.

I chose to start my acting career right there and acted as though I took his lack of condmenation on the killing crew as endorsement, and that I thought that proved he was in the mafa. I then proceeded to shout that theory to anyone that would listen to me. Now, Luigi and Red knew full well they weren't mafia, so I'm sure at first they were scratching their heads, then they put 2 and 2 together. From there on, my goose was cooked. I couldn't work with the town anymore, so beyond lying through my teeth to Kagemusha, and going off the deep end with my usual paranoid theories (man did GF2 make a good cover for future games), so I took up killings with the Barzinis again, surprisingly making it up to Made. I have no idea who protected me on Night 8, but THANKS! We almost won because of it...

Oh, the other thing that killed us.... I need to come clean and let everyone know that I begged Sasaki to post that fake reveal. I knew once Redleg talked the real FBI agent into coming forward, the Barzinis were dead meat. I knew that the one thing that might plant doubt was the knowledge that the FBI PM was out and about. I never thought anyone would believe Sasaki, only that they couldn't trust a post of a PM from the FBI agent as actual evidence. Unfortunately, Redleg didn't take it to well, and in the process, became an unassailable witness. Nobody, and I mean nobody was going to believe me over Redleg after Saturday night. He was town through and through, and that was indisputable.

Anyway, Seamus, thanks again for such a wonderful game. I really enjoyed it.

And oh, one last time, GH, YOU SUCK!!!

[Dutch_guy]

Well, Don, that explains why you weren't exactly excited to show the supposed Luigi PM. Even when faced with death.

Anyway, thanks a lot Seamus for hosting this game. I enjoyed it tremendously even if it doesn't seem that way if one looks at my contribution. I hope another one of these games comes around soon, even though the work it takes to manage one of these is probably exhausting - to say the least.

PS: Damn you Alex and Xiahou, damn you.

[Kralizec]

Well, the Barzinis had a secret weapon that GH's reveal (you suck, GH) forced us to abandon. I was able to remain as a townie throughout most of the game. Just as the name of my charcter in the movies, my role was to support the family by working with the town and defending the family from the outside. It was working really well. Too well, in fact. I felt really guilty about misleading Luigi and Redleg, and in a way, GH's reveal (you suck, GH) and it's subsequent forcing me to defend Prole so vehemently (and taking up killing again) was a relief.

When GH revealed (you suck, GH) we were all crapping in our pants. I went too far out on a limb too early, but I had too, I couldn't let steam build. Then some of the rest of the Barzinis started to chime in, this let me back off from the defense somewhat and actually publicly consider Prole as a suspect. Then, an unbelievable gift fell into my lap. Omanes asked me to join a killing crew. I figured it was just the town trying to take matters into their own hands, but I also knew this was my out, and salvation for Prole. So I PM'd Luigi and Redleg with it. Red was smart enough not to answer, but luck was with me, and Luigi responded in a mildly lukewarm way.

I chose to start my acting career right there and acted as though I took his lack of condmenation on the killing crew as endorsement, and that I thought that proved he was in the mafa. I then proceeded to shout that theory to anyone that would listen to me. Now, Luigi and Red knew full well they weren't mafia, so I'm sure at first they were scratching their heads, then they put 2 and 2 together. From there on, my goose was cooked. I couldn't work with the town anymore, so beyond lying through my teeth to Kagemusha, and going off the deep end with my usual paranoid theories (man did GF2 make a good cover for future games), so I took up killings with the Barzinis again, surprisingly making it up to Made. I have no idea who protected me on Night 8, but THANKS! We almost won because of it...

Oh, the other thing that killed us.... I need to come clean and let everyone know that I begged Sasaki to post that fake reveal. I knew once Redleg talked the real FBI agent into coming forward, the Barzinis were dead meat. I knew that the one thing that might plant doubt was the knowledge that the FBI PM was out and about. I never thought anyone would believe Sasaki, only that they couldn't trust a post of a PM from the FBI agent as actual evidence. Unfortunately, Redleg didn't take it to well, and in the process, became an unassailable witness. Nobody, and I mean nobody was going to believe me over Redleg after Saturday night. He was town through and through, and that was indisputable.

Anyway, Seamus, thanks again for such a wonderful game. I really enjoyed it.

And oh, one last time, GH, YOU SUCK!!!

Good game Don C, you fooled me with your townie act

I wasn't very sure about Proletariat not being Donna Barzini, but I already suspected someone else for that role.

At any rate, I also felt that GH and Sasaki were being lame by revealing it.
I still held somewhat of a grudge against Sasaki and GH for ratting me out & getting me lynched so early in the game. I couldn't have prevented this since Sasaki knew my ID from the start, and he had his own objectives. Apparently Sasaki had already ratted on me at that time by revealing my role to GH. Then, GH miraculously discovers that some spelling errors in the PM's were consistent with my own writing style
That got the ball rolling, and Louis ran a text analyses comparing the PM with several Dutch and Flemish members...the rest is history.

I don't think it's being a good sport to post damning information after your death, and GH and Sasaki did just that- presumably just to spite Proletariat. I could care less wether Proletariat got killed actually, but I just defended her to spite GH and Sasaki

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ah, Kralizec I had no intention of getting you lynched. I took GH into my confidence early (I needed the luca's on my side for one of my win conditions) but when he got killed he started going after people. I defended you if you recall.

I was upset with GH for revealing prole and reenk, and tried to make it look like a setup. I'd had such a setup in mind actually. The mispelling was intentional, naturally.

[Andres]

The mispelling was intentional, naturally.

Oh, what a surprise !

[Kralizec]

Hmmm, Proletariet? I hadn't noticed that at the time...clever.

Cheers to Seamus for hosting this wonderful game :cheers:

[Ironside]

The mistake ended up paying off, though. You joined the team along with JimBob, while doc_bean left to create his own group citing infiltration concerns (I don't think he trusted me). After you told me your role and left the group, I contacted luigi VI di Fatlington and recruited him. He was part of the team that saved JimBob (the same night I was promoted to doctor/killed).

doc_bean was quite paranoid in this game, it wouldn't surprice me if I was the only player that knew his status (exept right before Seamus ended the game were I mentioned his status to luigi after he had namned doc_bean as his best candidate for the last don). .

I have one confession to make - I gave your role away to certain members of my team, including Ironside and luigi. This was an error in judgement; I was trying to explain to them why I wanted you protected, and gave away too much info. Sorry.

I guess we got a bit lucky, though. Great game!

I was actually asking doc to protect Ituralde on 2-3 nights after our first protection to make sure that we didn't lose him incase we had a leak. Not that Luigi seems to have remembered Ituralde's status for long though.

That's true - I didn't reveal your identity to Ituralde initially (just being on the safe side). Later on he contacted me and told me he'd been contacted by you, and asked me to confirm your claims. This I did gladly - my status as a now-confirmed innocent townie helped.

Yes I asked Ituralde to contact you to make him sure. Otherwise I would sound something like: Dude, I know you're a surgeon and want protection. While the first part would probably clear me from mafia suspicion while thinking a bit of it, it's feels a bit bad to get a "I know everything about you, and request your help" without understanding why.

I got your message asking me to back up your reveal. I'd have done this if I ever felt it was necessary; however, no one seemed to be taking CR's accusation of you seriously, and it never appeared that you were in danger of being lynched. So I just kept quiet.

I was wondering about that for a bit, but you're right that my innocence was refuted very little (if at all), when I went official. Started to get very hard to refute me while still not giving away your mafia status.

Oh and you Barzinis made a considerble flaw when not presenting an alternative detective. We knew that 2 were still in the game and a false detective this late would be fatal to the town, aka the true one has to step forward to save the town. Not countering them meant trouble for you as their word was law in the end

And CR, I'm curious on how I ended up on your list, as it's quite obvious that your family considered it somewhat correct atleast.

[Pindar]

And I was killed by a lap dancer? Alright Pindar and CR, care to elaborate?

Sigurd

I wrote up your end. I thought an exotic South American would appeal to your Northern Viking roots: something hot to forget the cold what, what.

[Pindar]

And oh, one last time, GH, YOU SUCK!!!

I echo my comrade: GH you suck!!!

[Kommodus]

Ok, what's with everyone pointing the finger at GH? I admit it's a bit bothersome to have someone revealing confidential bits of info after death - heck, it contributed to my lynching when I was mafia in Grafitti Mafia - but I'm not sure it warrants the reaction it's getting.

The real question in my mind is this: how is it that GH came to learn the identities of all those Barzinis, when he himself was a Corleone? What error in judgement led to him obtaining such knowledge?

If the Barzinis didn't want GH to blow the whistle on them, they shouldn't have let him know their identities to begin with.

[Don Corleone]

Ok, what's with everyone pointing the finger at GH? I admit it's a bit bothersome to have someone revealing confidential bits of info after death - heck, it contributed to my lynching when I was mafia in Grafitti Mafia - but I'm not sure it warrants the reaction it's getting.

The real question in my mind is this: how is it that GH came to learn the identities of all those Barzinis, when he himself was a Corleone? What error in judgement led to him obtaining such knowledge?

If the Barzinis didn't want GH to blow the whistle on them, they shouldn't have let him know their identities to begin with.

First, GH told the entire game who was the head and the Luca of the Barzini family. You may claim it's trivial, but I suspect you're just sticking up for a friend. A noble quality, though in this case, somewhat misguided.

Second, the Barzinis didn't say anything to GH. He got the information from Sasaki, who received it as part of his role as Wolf.

Third, while Seamus may not have explicitly forbidden it, it is general practice that you're not supposed to be able to reveal information after your death you didn't reveal before hand. If you're the detective, and you don't get your reveal out before you get lynched/killed, you're not supposed to be able to post that information after you're dead.

Hey, you and GH can claim he did nothing wrong all you want. The fact remains he made certain the Barzinis didn't have a chance in this game, and he did it in an unethical, if not exactly illegal fashion.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wow, I'm getting slammed here.

I admit that the memories of my actions will probably live on in some people's minds, but the last thing I want is people to be mad at me for this, so I'm going to try once again to defend myself.

First of all, and this is what some people seem to forget, I only revealed Prole and Reenk. While I was pretty sure that she had done some recruiting, I had no knowledge of who these people were or how many existed. Don, you once again did an excellent job of fooling me. You had me convinced that you were just the "skeptical townie" as usual. I couldn't really get a good read on Pindar, as this was his first game.

Look, I apologized to Seamus for my actions, and, as previously stated, he exonerated me of any wrongdoing. So please do not say that I broke the rules. I admit that what I did was probably unethical; it's why I apologized to Seamus in the first place.

However, I don't believe it was game-changing. My reveal of Prole and Reenk (who both survived) set the stage for the endgame, but it wasn't an inspired townie series of lynches that got the people based on their connections with Prole and Reenk. It was a final bloodbath between the Barzinis and resurrected Tataglias.

Please just understand things from my point of view. That is all I ask.

[Don Corleone]

Well it's stupid getting pissed about it now. But I'm not going to lie and say I have no problem with it either. Perhaps you and I should just give each other a wide berth.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I was actually asking doc to protect Ituralde on 2-3 nights after our first protection to make sure that we didn't lose him incase we had a leak. Not that Luigi seems to have remembered Ituralde's status for long though.

Gah! It's a complex game. Redleg even had to persuade me not to vote Seamus at one point- I tought it was suspicious that he barely posted.

All you tin stars out there: I am still dying to find out if my *eyes mobster Crazed Rabbit * had anything to do with his death.

Orb, would you mind posting some information here? You were a pivotal character, and I'm quite curious to your thoughts.

Proletariat - I've never changed my mind about someone so often as her. I thought it was suspicious she was saved in the first round. Then there was this 'killing as a fashion statement' thingy. I also believed GH reveal at first too. I didn't anymore before the voting was over, I thought there was something fishy going on. When she voted Moros I became convinced again that she was, and added her to my list.

It was Orb's (?) peculiar note by the corpse of Xiahou that made me change my mind yet again:
Duty.

Kagemusha
Proletariat.

Orb had said he couldn't kill Proletariat the night before. Okay, so I figured that maybe Orb knew something I didn't. I also figured Kagemusha for mafia the night before, and it turned out he wasn't.
Me and Kagemusha had an extensive PM exchange following Orb's note. I soon found out he was completely drunk. So I took advantage of that to question him extensively about his wise guy status and his sexual preferences.
Armed with this new and very incriminating information I knew Kage could only choose the town's side from now on.
I also let go of Proletariat, just keeping her in mind in case no other leads would find me the don.

From what I knew about everyody else, only two persons remained besides Proletariat for don: BKS and Doc_Bean. They were very secretive and mistrustful. Ironside had definitive information that Doc wasn't. Which now left me with checking BKS's contacts. He wasn't very forthcoming, so I decided to throw it in the open, hoping to find some proof of his status either way. At this point, the game ended.

I'm glad Seamus ended it. It did prevent a tedious cat-and-mouse endgame. Maybe RR and Prole could've escaped the rope for one day. Maybe they could've made another kill, but most townies were so well aware of each other's status by now that it would've been a matter of two days max before they were killed I think.

[Kommodus]

First, GH told the entire game who was the head and the Luca of the Barzini family. You may claim it's trivial, but I suspect you're just sticking up for a friend. A noble quality, though in this case, somewhat misguided.

Well, I never meant to imply that it was trivial. I understand that it probably had quite a significant impact on the game, and I totally understand why you and the other Barzinis are bothered by it. All I ask is that you remember that it really is just a game, and not worth broken relationships.

And yes, I am sticking up for a friend.

Second, the Barzinis didn't say anything to GH. He got the information from Sasaki, who received it as part of his role as Wolf.

Ah. I didn't realize that. I suppose it was rather dangerous to have someone - anyone - who knew the identities of all the Mafia Dons.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Why I committed suicide etcetera.

This screenshot thing was a low point for me too. I had in fact written and send my suicide note to Seamus too. I retracted it the following day. I didn't see the screenie myself, but what difference did that make? Once I became aware of it's existence I could add 1 and 1 myself. Duh.
Using screenshots spoils the game for people. Redleg and I spend half a night exchanging information about Sasaki, we figured out that he was the Wolf after all, only for us to find out we couldn't further discuss him or vote for him because some people couldn't resist the temptation to use unfair means.
Then there's also this gnawing question: could I maybe have developed second thoughts about Sasaki if there wasn't this screenshotgate? It did after all confirm my suspicion of Sasaki beyond any doubt.

The rules for revealing stuff after one's death need to be tightened as well it seems. Posting 'revelations' after one's dead can be game enhancing. Posting information for the sole reason of spoiling the game for those left alive with the explicit purpose of 'warning' people not to kill you in the next game is a bit lame. Also, this warning might impress thirtheen year olds, but not the mature players.
I must say it was very difficult for townies to guess the exact worth of the information that was revealed by GH though. CR posted a list of tin stars shortly after that I knew was incorrect. And GH's earlier list was random as well.
But with the benefit of hindsight, naming Prole and RR did play a part in the unraveling of the white gloves. Even if for me the pivotal event was the hanging of Moros.

A brief correction: Seamus, where I said 'keeping up with us' I meant 'thanks for 'putting up with us'. Meh, English.

[Kagemusha]

Me and Kagemusha had an extensive PM exchange following Orb's note. I soon found out he was completely drunk. So I took advantage of that to question him extensively about his wise guy status and his sexual preferences.
Armed with this new and very incriminating information I knew Kage could only choose the town's side from now on.

Lol! For once i dont want to see the evidence posted in the thread. Altough i have to pray that you dont get to be a detective in one of these games. That cross questioning was almost unhuman and im pretty sure that it left permanent damages on my already unstable psyche.

[Redleg]

Well I actually enjoyed a major portion of the game. Figuring out that Sasaki betrayed the town was rather enjoyable - the screenshot that was provided after Luigi and I did our discussion only distracted our actual conclusions.

Some things I did not really appreciate in this game - alreadly discussed and hopefully will fix themselves over time.

Whats funny is that I believe in one of the disscussions that Luigi and I were having is that we were going to go back and evaluate all of us, to insure everyone was on the up and up about their positon.

Reenx and Prolerait were on my short list. After Doc and BKS. So luigi is correct in as little as two more day phases we most likely would of been back to lynching both of them.

And Orb was a great asset to the team. And I probably got Cowhead fired because I suspected Orb of wanting to kill me, and let Seamus know that if I died by a greek hoplite then I knew the identity of my killer, and that if he could, right it into my death scenerio.

Sorry Cowhead for getting you fired - my I suspected the viper in our midst might try to play both sides against the middle. Sorry luigi on this one I PM Seamus before you and I discussed it, because it was just before the closing of the night phase inputs to Seamus.

[Orb]

Interesting. Seems I was a popular night one choice.

I guess Kralizec's scheme paid off somewhat with those recruits.

Must have been tough trying to win as a serial killer.

*breathes heavily, adds epilogue*

Orb gazed back at the town of Fatlington. It didn't matter, he would be in the villages of Sparta in a day's time. He would...

No. No he wouldn't. The train operator looked back in shock as the sound of the back window's glass shattering was heard. Orb hit the rails as he jumped out, but quickly regained his feet. He began the trek back to Fatlington.

Seventeen hours later he arrived, carrying a pack on his back and wearing a red anorak. He was late for the celebration and quietly walked into the room. Would he find acceptance? Forgiveness? Mercy? He did not know, but he knew that his destiny lay here with the people of Fatlington, not in the meadows of Greece. The bullying he had suffered at school had made him turn to the 'power' and 'glory' of the Spartans, but he no longer felt the urge for revenge. It just didn't satisfy. He felt guilt. He felt a duty, not to some dead cause but to a living town.

The music of the party reached his ears, it seemed everyone else was so drunk they didn't notice him:

Now the sun's gone to hell
The moon's riding high
Let me bid you farewell
Every man has to die

But it's written in the starlight
And every line of your palms

We are fools to make war on our brothers in arms

He walked over to the bar, and bought cowhead a drink.

Edit: where are my manners?

Seamus. Best Mafia Ever.

[The Stranger]

Good Game, but seriously... Sasaki, I'm going to murder you :P

had Moros and I stay a duo the town might have won earlier...

[Pindar]

Wow, I'm getting slammed here.

Rightly so! Your actions were repugnant. The pathetic defense is equally repugnant. To even attempt a defense is repugnant. To allow one's self described friend (Kommodus) to stick up for the repugnancy is repugnant.

To quote the wise words previously stated: GH you suck.

[Don Corleone]

Well, I didn't mean them quite that vehemently Pindar. I was sort of trying to say it tongue in cheek, but I am a little sore over the whole affair. I'll get over it, but if nothing else, GH, your motivation for your reveal should tell you that it wasn't the classiest move you've ever made. Trying to paint yourself as the 'real victim' now that those of us who couldn't at the time call you on it is a little cheesy, IMHO. But hey, like everyone keeps saying, it's a game. I can't let myself get carried away. You did give us the game in the first place, and you've been a good sport until now.

Let's call a truce and agree in the ethics post that from now on, no post-humous reveals is a rule in every game, shall we?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I never intended to paint myself as the victim, and I apologize if it came out that way.

Let's call a truce and agree in the ethics post that from now on, no post-humous reveals is a rule in every game, shall we?

Agreed. I just want to put this one behind me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In the future I think loyalty should be spelled out in pm's.

town-you are loyal to the town full stop.
corleone-loyal to the corleones, if they are wiped out you don't have anyone to root for.
Serial killer--weird to have him work for the town I think. If I made that role I would specify that he was anti-town. Otherwise he's just a vigilante.