Disgusting...

[TopHatJones]

I have been a Total War fan for a while now. I have played every game/expansion, missing only the original Shogun.

But this latest installment has killed a HUGE amount of my faith in CA and the TW series.

I know all games have some bugs, but they are usually minor and/or are fixed very shortly after release. This game, however, is FULL of serious, game-breaking bugs such as 2h axe units not attacking, shields taking away defense rather than adding to it, the long list of broken or missing triggers, etc. It is obvious that this game was not playtested at all. I am hesitant to make such a claim since there are so many things to test for and some things will surely slip through the cracks, but 2h axe units not attacking? Shields removing defense? Passive AI and AI seige bugs? These are things that anyone can easily see within a few minutes of playing the game even if they weren't looking for it. Its the type of thing you can notice while testing for something else! That's what leads me to wonder if the game was tested...not just enough, but at all.

This game came out very quickly after RTW + Xpac. I wasn't even finished with those yet TBH. There was absolutely no reason that I can imagine to rush this game out like they did. An extra few months would have probably been enough to turn this game from a shack to a palace since it has so much potential....they just threw in the towel at the 1 yard line. This is also the first TW to not have some major advancements. Some new features were added, but nothing extraordinary. This is basically a self-contained expansion to RTW. Maybe Sega has something to do with it...every system and game they ever made themselves was awful.

To be fair, I am still having some limited enjoyment with the game, but that is due 100% to LTC 2.0 (Waiting for 2.1) for fixing a lot of the problems. Modding is a great feature for any game since people will inevitably disagree with a lot of design/balance features and will want to make their own changes, but modding should NEVER, EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES be expected to require the players to fix game bugs and make the game, or large sections of it, playable.

That seems to be the trend lately though, games have been doing this more and more. Oblivion had similar problems...I found that game unplayable without an extensive list of mods. The difference is, Oblvion required mods to rebalance the game and add in missing features, while M2TW requires mods to fix actual game-breaking bugs. Even Oblivion didn't require players to do that. What's worse is that a LOT of this game is hardcoded and we CAN'T add missing features like heir selection and the ability to start in different eras (high, late) for example. So we get all the negatives of modding abilities (bugfixing) but few of the positives (new content and features).

If CA doesn't get their act together, Sega or no Sega, the chances of my buying their games in the future will be slim to none.

$0.02

[manbaps]

Totally agree with this statement.

[Bijo]

If CA doesn't get their act together, Sega or no Sega, the chances of my buying their games in the future will be slim to none.

$0.02

But your money is already taken, isn't it? Just like all of us who had their money taken
Anyway, you speak good words in there, but I wouldn't blame too much on CA. Sega, the publisher, is the financier, meaning they call the shots. Blame Sega. Boycott Sega! Down with the infidels!

Eh-- I mean-- uh.... U

[Goofball]

I partly agree. Please see this thread:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=77300

But as in that thread, be prepared for some guy who has played for 10 minutes to call you a whiner and say the bugs are historically accurate...

[ShadesPanther]

I agree mostly with what you have said.

True, alot of the bugs are major and obvious some aren't quite.
For example the Shield bug.
The shield bug means that the higher the shield value the worse it fights in melee regardless of its total armour.

But It isn't very obvious that this is going on and so I sort of forgive them for missing it, but expect it fixed ASAP in a patch. Some other things are so bad you do wonder how they missed them and even missed them again in the first patch.

[Carl]

Some of them wern't missed in the first patch, they knew of them but just didn't have time to fix them in time for the patch release date. I've also heard rumouirs from people claiming to be in the "know", (they may have been lying BTW), that the publisher was so determined to get a christmas release date that no beta testing was done, which explains the bugs unfortunatly.

Of course these people might have been lying.

p.s. The sheild bug isn't obvious to us, but to the devs who should know what they expect to happen it should be glaringly obvious.

[TopHatJones]

True, alot of the bugs are major and obvious some aren't quite.
For example the Shield bug.
The shield bug means that the higher the shield value the worse it fights in melee regardless of its total armour.

Fair enough...it did take some extensive testing to really nail the shield bug, BUT on the other hand, it IS instantly noticable that there is definately SOME problem when some of these units fight each other.

[Lusted]

Fair enough...it did take some extensive testing to really nail the shield bug, BUT on the other hand, it IS instantly noticable that there is definately SOME problem when some of these units fight each other.

Not really, i've extensively rebalanced units for my LTC mod yet it never occured to me there was a shield bug. Didn't even know something might be wrong until someone started a thread about it.

To be fair, I am still having some limited enjoyment with the game, but that is due 100% to LTC 2.0 (Waiting for 2.1) for fixing a lot of the problems.

Glad your enjoying my mod.

Personally, i love this game, and i think its the best TW to date. Yes, it has some bad bugs, but i cannot help but feel they are down to rushed development, or in one case the result of people complaining(2 handedbug - animations used in demo removed by CA due to number of complaints). Im sure CA will try to fix as many as possible in the patches, and they've already said they're working on the 2 handed bug for Patch 2.

Now if you don't mind, im going to resume my Danish campaign, i have some Russians to beat up.

[zulukiller]

Hmmm you know what TBH with you its not just this game thats buggie. Im not sure whats going on but for at least the last couple of years most PC games have been released with major bugs and bad game imbalances. Some of which never get fixed and i know this for a fact because ive taken part in several closed betas were bugs or massive game imblances have been reported and the games still gets released.

[TopHatJones]

But your money is already taken, isn't it? Just like all of us who had their money taken

Yes they got it this time...but unless this is the last TW they are making, they will be missing out on a lot more in the future.

[Monarch]

shields taking away defense rather than adding to it,

rofl, I'm sorry but thats beyond a joke. Until recently, when some guy accidently stumbled accross it whilst doing other tests. Nobody even knew about it, now its the main reason people are hating the game....

You guys are such jokers

(*Monarch turns around and walks back to the mp forums. Where even though everyone still complains, at least people like Puzz3D and Orda Khan who complain actually make sense and know what they're talking about)

[TopHatJones]

rofl, I'm sorry but thats beyond a joke. Until recently, when some guy accidently stumbled accross it whilst doing other tests. Nobody even knew about it, now its the main reason people are hating the game....

You guys are such jokers

(*Monarch turns around and walks back to the mp forums. Where even though everyone still complains, at least people like Puzz3D and Orda Khan who complain actually make sense and know what they're talking about)

Like I said above, I didn't know what the problem was, but I did know there was A problem when peasants roll spearmen and a whole slew of other rediculous inconsistencies.

Like another person said above, it may not have been obvious to us, but to a developer who knows exactly what's going on behind the scenes, its glaringly obvious that there is SOME sort of problem.

Also, nothing is more pathetic than when someone finds any reason to argue against ONE of the original points (ignoring all others), and pretends to have won the entire arguement.

Even IF it was entirely impossible for the developers to not notice a problem with the shield bug (unlikely)...remove that one half of a line from my original post and try again.

[Goofball]

rofl, I'm sorry but thats beyond a joke. Until recently, when some guy accidently stumbled accross it whilst doing other tests. Nobody even knew about it, now its the main reason people are hating the game....

You guys are such jokers

(*Monarch turns around and walks back to the mp forums. Where even though everyone still complains, at least people like Puzz3D and Orda Khan who complain actually make sense and know what they're talking about)

Wow. You really play mp?

Really?

You're cool.

[The Stranger]

rofl, I'm sorry but thats beyond a joke. Until recently, when some guy accidently stumbled accross it whilst doing other tests. Nobody even knew about it, now its the main reason people are hating the game....

You guys are such jokers

(*Monarch turns around and walks back to the mp forums. Where even though everyone still complains, at least people like Puzz3D and Orda Khan who complain actually make sense and know what they're talking about)

i figured out that something was wrong after 2 weeks of playing... i was trying to find out without much succes... but others beat me to it...

nobody of the "complainers" is laughing at you for not sharing our thoughts... maybe you could show the "respect" vica versa

[Sheogorath]

GB2/rtw/, then.