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    Finally, some good news in the headlines.

    I hope they make this into a huge nationwide chain of museums.

    I bolded part of the article that shows - despite the many rhetoric-based postings that often appear on this site with fabricated, low and inaccurate numbers - many more Americans are smart enough to not believe in the nonsense that is "evolution" than are often given credit for.

    I say 50% not believing in the evolution crap that is shoved down their throats constantly in public schools and the media is a pretty good number seeing as reality does not receive the same push of constant propaganda to infest their minds.

    Very disturbing how they had to hire explosive-sniffing dogs and extra security to prepare against the atheist/secularist/humanist zealot terrorists who have threatened them.

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    Dinosaurs, humans coexist in U.S. creation museum By Andrea Hopkins

    PETERSBURG, Kentucky (Reuters) - Ken Ham's sprawling creation museum isn't even open yet, but an expansion is already underway in the state-of-the art lobby, where grunting dinosaurs and animatronic humans coexist in a Biblical paradise.



    A crush of media attention and packed preview sessions have convinced Ham that nearly half a million people a year will come to Kentucky to see his Biblically correct version of history.

    "I think we'll be surprised at how many people come," Ham said as he dodged dozens of designers working to finish exhibits in time for the May 28 opening.

    The $27 million project, which also includes a planetarium, a special-effects theater, nature trails and a small lake, is privately funded by people who believe the Bible's first book, Genesis, is literally true.

    For them, a museum showing Christian schoolchildren and skeptics alike how the earth, animals, dinosaurs and humans were created in a six-day period about 6,000 years ago -- not over millions of years, as evolutionary science says -- is long overdue.

    While foreign media and science critics have mostly come to snigger at exhibits explaining how baby dinosaurs fit on Noah's Ark and Cain married his sister to people the earth, museum spokesman and vice-president Mark Looy said the coverage has done nothing but drum up more interest.

    "Mocking publicity is free publicity," Looy said. Besides, U.S. media have been more respectful, mindful perhaps of a 2006 Gallup Poll showing almost half of Americans believe that humans did not evolve, but were created by God in their present form within the last 10,000 years.

    Looy said supporters of the museum include evangelical Christians, Orthodox Jews and conservative Catholics, as well as the local Republican congressman, Geoff Davis (news, bio, voting record), and his family, who have toured the site.

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    While the debate between creationists and mainstream scientists has bubbled up periodically in U.S. schools since before the Scopes "monkey trial" in nearby Tennessee 80 years ago, courts have repeatedly ruled that teaching religious theory in public schools is unconstitutional.

    Ham, an Australian who moved to America 20 years ago, believes creationists could have presented a better case at the Scopes trail if they'd been better educated -- but he's not among those pushing for creation to be taught in school.

    Rather than force skeptical teachers to debate creation, Ham wants kids to come to his museum, where impassioned experts can make their case that apparently ancient fossils and the Grand Canyon were created just a few thousand years ago in a great flood.

    "It's not hitting them over the head with a Bible, it's just teaching that we can defend what it says," he said.

    Ham, who also runs a Christian broadcasting and publishing venture, said the museum's Hollywood-quality exhibits set the project apart from the many quirky Creation museums sprinkled across America.

    The museum's team of Christian designers include theme park art director Patrick Marsh, who designed the "Jaws" and "King Kong" attractions at Universal Studios in Florida, as well as dozens of young artists whose conviction drives their work.

    "I think it shows (nonbelievers) the other side of things," said Carolyn Manto, 27, pausing in her work painting Ice Age figures for a display about caves in France.

    "I don't think it's going to be forcing any viewpoint on them, but challenging them to think critically about their evolutionary views," said Manto, who studied classical sculpture before joining the museum.

    Still, Looy is upfront about the museum's mission: to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with nonbelievers.

    "I think a lot of people are going to come out of curiosity ... and we're going to present the Gospel. This is going to be an evangelistic center," Looy said. A chaplain has been hired for museum-goers in need of spiritual guidance.

    The museum's rural location near the border of Kentucky, Ohio and Indiana places it well within America's mostly conservative and Christian heartland. But the setting has another strategic purpose: two-thirds of Americans are within a day's drive of the site, and Cincinnati's international airport is minutes away.

    The project has not been without opposition. Zoning battles with environmentalists and groups opposed to the museum's message have delayed construction and the museum's opening day has been delayed repeatedly.

    The museum has hired extra security and explosives-sniffing dogs to counter anonymous threats of damage to the building. "We've had some opposition," Looy said.

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    A very good idea. You aren't being forced to view it, its not federally funded.

    Atheist will de-cry it, but any publicity is good publicity.

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    *titters and walks off to a corner*

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    Hey, I know one of the sculptors who's creating the exhibits for this museum! I was just visiting with him this evening, in fact. Great guy; probably very talented (haven't actually seen his work).
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    If we could convince the Flat Earthers and the Faked Moon Landing guys to build their own museums next door, we could get a theme park going. It goes without saying we could attract some alien abductionists to the site.

    We need to get them all in the same office park, you know, make it into a real destination. Then we could print money, and buy Sealand.






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    Cool! There's an interactive walkthrough with mock-ups of the exhibits!
    Last edited by Lemur; 01-15-2007 at 07:54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    If we could convince the Flat Earthers and the Faked Moon Landing guys to build their own museums next door, we could get a theme park going. It goes without saying we could attract some alien abductionists to the site.

    Why are you comparing joke sites with this very serious museum. That doesn't really make any sense. The museum has no place near any non-serious, joke buildings like what you are suggesting seeing as the museum is 100% serious and based on hard science.

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    Finally, some good news in the headlines
    Brilliant news .
    I was soooo disappointed when the cretinist idiots got the knockback on building bible-world for saying brainless things about Jews .

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    Wonderful way to spend 27 million dollars. People are starving, homeless are freezing, single mothers are suffering, yet churches see that this is far mor important. Calvanist hypocrits the lot of them.

    Honestly 10,000 years? What does the museum say about dinosours? Guess they are merely mal-constructed elephants.
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    $27 Million Evolution-Debunking Museum To Open
    Well.... good for them.... I guess....
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    If that´s $27 Million less dollars to help child molesting priests re-locate....or $27 Million less dollars worth of people knocking on my door on sunday morning (I swear i´m gonna start answering the door naked)....then I have to say this is a good thing!

    if people want to spend $27 Million of their own money in a building full of malarkey....hey...more power to them........I don´t think I´ll go there...well...maybe if I REALLY need a laugh one day.
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    mindful perhaps of a 2006 Gallup Poll showing almost half of Americans believe that humans did not evolve, but were created by God in their present form within the last 10,000 years.
    Just because Americans believe it doesn’t make it true. How many things are there that Americans believe, that are as wrong as the day is long? A promotional museum equals fact like the National Enquirer equals truth.
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    It's not my money, so I couldn't care less.

    *proceeds to preach heresy*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navaros
    Finally, some good news in the headlines.

    I hope they make this into a huge nationwide chain of museums.

    I bolded part of the article that shows - despite the many rhetoric-based postings that often appear on this site with fabricated, low and inaccurate numbers - many more Americans are smart enough to not believe in the nonsense that is "evolution" than are often given credit for.

    I say 50% not believing in the evolution crap that is shoved down their throats constantly in public schools and the media is a pretty good number seeing as reality does not receive the same push of constant propaganda to infest their minds.

    Very disturbing how they had to hire explosive-sniffing dogs and extra security to prepare against the atheist/secularist/humanist zealot terrorists who have threatened them.
    At least we "atheist/secularist/humanist zealot terrorists" aren't killing Christians in inquisition courts, burning them at the stake, forcibly converting them to our beliefs on the threat of beheading, or taking out huge "agnosticism/atheism taxes". Instead, we let you freely express your ideas, build your temples freely, and now also a monumental museum for your religion.

    I think this is yet another beautiful example of how the agnostic/atheistic tolerance and enlightenment that begun in the 18th century allows minorities with views contrary to that of the majority (which today happens to be agnosticism and atheism) to express their ideas freely and openly, and be respected for it! I hope all people who visit this museum enjoy it and remember that it is a result of the victory of the free choice over inquisition, crusades, witch burning, forced conversions and high church taxes. Whether you're religious or not, this is worth celebrating! Because today we can make our own choice - whether it is agnosticism, atheism or religion!
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    In its own quaint way, I guess this museum proves that 'dinosaurs and humans coexist'.
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    Is it time for poll ?
    Going by the opening post and that posters following contributions is that poster...
    A Someone who is a Christian and is on a wind up
    B Someone who is not a Christian and is on a wind up
    CInsane

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    Well, I for one will be going along as soon as its open. I never thought I'd ever get a chance to meet P T Barnum in person and I'm not missing it now!

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    It feels kinda bad to gang up on a single person, but this question is itching me...

    @Navaros: you know how halal meat is produced? And who decreed the procedure?

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    I am glad to see that nobody is arguing that such a museum shouldn't be built. After all, in the grand scheme of the American economy, $27 million is nothing, a tiny fragment of a drop in the bucket. If people want to donate their hard-earned cash to creating this museum, well, that's what the U.S. is all about.

    Other Christian-themed learning centers have been built, with varying success. Heritage USA was a flop, but by contrast, Bob Jones University is thriving. I disagree with the Creation Museum's ideology, but I'm glad they have the freedom to do what they like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Is it time for poll ?
    Going by the opening post and that posters following contributions is that poster...
    A Someone who is a Christian and is on a wind up
    B Someone who is not a Christian and is on a wind up
    CInsane
    Navaros advocating evolution and claiming his own hypocrisy has finally convinced me that he has conducted the most entertaining wind-up all this time.

    I think he is a very committed Christian who likes to push our buttons and thus perhaps reveal our own intolerances.

    I'm very impressed.
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    I wish you were right BG but this reminds me of other people I have met, they hang on to one truth and then warp the whole world around it.

    Maybe he is on the wind-up though.
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    I want to see anyone stick whatever chemical compounds they want, in a bucket, heat it, shake it, massage it whatever, and see if a bacteria grows. Remember, no bacteria to start with, just like the molten ball that was Earth billions of years ago when my high school english teachers were teenagers.

    Isn't that how life started?

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    I thought that experiment's been done a few times already ?
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    http://www.resa.net/nasa/origins_life.htm#precursors

    Found it!

    If it wasn't 1am on a work night, I would read it. Gives me something to do tomorrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azi Tohak
    I want to see anyone stick whatever chemical compounds they want, in a bucket, heat it, shake it, massage it whatever, and see if a bacteria grows. Remember, no bacteria to start with, just like the molten ball that was Earth billions of years ago when my high school english teachers were teenagers.

    Isn't that how life started?
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    You first. I want to see a beardy fellow in an ill-fitting robe snap his fingers and make a cosmos.

    Silliness apart, try looking up the Miller-Urey experiment and developmental research links. If, of course, you are really looking for information.
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    You first. I want to see a beardy fellow in an ill-fitting robe snap his fingers and make a cosmos.
    Tell me how all the matter that created the big bang got there in the first place. Matter and energy do not create themselves.

    As banq pointed out, amino acids are easily produced in the labratory. One of the building blocks to life. There is also the find back in '98 of the marsian rock containing life, the results from that find have had a profound impact on how life could have developed. I can't even recall the term used for the sub cellular life found in the rock though.
    Wine is a bit different, as I am sure even kids will like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTex
    Tell me how all the matter that created the big bang got there in the first place. Matter and energy do not create themselves.
    Want to discuss the issue of where the assorted Deus Fabers came from in the first place...?

    That, at least, seems to be a topic where science and faith draw equally blank.
    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

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    Matter and energy do not create themselves.
    Unless you're in a vacuum of course.

    Virtual particles!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
    You first. I want to see a beardy fellow in an ill-fitting robe snap his fingers and make a cosmos.

    Silliness apart, try looking up the Miller-Urey experiment and developmental research links. If, of course, you are really looking for information.
    Sneering at a fellow board member by a Moderator? You have a responsibility to maintain the civility here and if you fail to do so, then why are you a moderator?

    I said I was looking for information. It happened to be 1am when I found it. But I also found this:

    http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise...gy/miller.html

    Note the objections raised to the admittedly interesting experiements.

    So you can (sort of) claim that the basis of life can be formed. The next step is how they came to work together right? Now I'm hunting for info on that too.

    Azi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azi Tohak
    Sneering at a fellow board member by a Moderator? You have a responsibility to maintain the civility here and if you fail to do so, then why are you a moderator?
    I'm sorry that you felt I was sneering. Moderators happen to be allowed to have opinions too you know.

    To explain: You opened your request for knowledge thusly:

    Quote Originally Posted by Azi Tohak
    I want to see anyone stick whatever chemical compounds they want, in a bucket, heat it, shake it, massage it whatever, and see if a bacteria grows. Remember, no bacteria to start with, just like the molten ball that was Earth billions of years ago when my high school english teachers were teenagers.

    Isn't that how life started?
    I read that as a pretty silly demand of science to prove its hypothesis by a clearly impossible demonstration.

    My counter was to put the creationist viewpoint to the same silly degree of proof. I had an astonished smiley to underline the point, and added in the next paragraph, "Silliness apart..."

    The idea was to highlight that the standards of "proof" demanded by creationists from science invariably are not applied to their own theories.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azi Tohak
    I said I was looking for information. It happened to be 1am when I found it. But I also found this:

    http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise...gy/miller.html

    Note the objections raised to the admittedly interesting experiements.

    So you can (sort of) claim that the basis of life can be formed. The next step is how they came to work together right? Now I'm hunting for info on that too.
    I'm glad that you are really looking for information.
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