Angry post

[zarker]

This is the last franchise game I buy purely on reputation.

It's clearly unfinished, and I'm still waiting for Neverwinter Nights 2 to be patched upto a playable condition. I almost called this thread "Last SEGA game I buy" - but NWN2 is ATARI.

Is this some new trend for distributers (or whatever they call themselves) - forcing developers to release games before they're properly completed?

I'm sick of it. Next new game I buy I'm reading the forums instead of trying the Demos.

[danfda]

Why are you still waiting for NWN2? Aside from a few very minor problems, the game runs pretty smoothly and without any glitches. Pretty playable, IMO. So is M2TW. Some call the shield bug a "game breaker" and the AI does some odd things, but those are being worked on. They'll get fixed, beit by the dev or by the rather extraordinarily talented modders in the community. So my advice is to play the game that you spent money on('cause it works and is still really fun to play, all issues included) and relax. Yelling doesn't make patches come out any quicker. ;)

And you and I both know that publishing companies are going to push games out onto the market as fast as possible. There is little you can do about it. That said, since you have the game already, play it. It won't cause brain tumors. :P

[zarker]

sorry - just a knee jerk reaction.

I've seen a lot of threads on bugs in this forum, and basically these haven't spoiled by enjoyment, or even been noticed (but then i dont tend to notice the deeper mechanisms that much). But when i do see annoying glitches - like units giving up on chasing down routing units, cavalry 'escorting' routing units off the fieeld instead of skewering the lots of them post haste, and many units holding committies for a 10 seconds debating if they should follow my last order while their target recedes further and further into the distance, just really gets to me.

I feel like taking the EXIt BATTLE option, instead of the CONTINUE FIGHTING option when an army routs, cos it will be a lot less frustrating.

I never noticed the unfinished feel for RTW - but maybe thats cos I didn't buy it until the gold version came out, and was already on path version 1.6.

And yes - i know distributers are prepared to throw runnish out on the tail of a success. I've seen enough sequel movies to appreciate that.

I suppose - at least developers can patch their productions after release, unlike film producers.

[baron_Leo]

Did you joing the org to complain about the game? Sorry man, there have been dozens of threads like this one before, but there are still thousands of people playing the game. Because the game is far more than playable. Yes, teher are loads of bugs, but you would never realise most of them if you wouldnt read about them. And they would not bother you. Be honest: did you realize there is a 2H or shield bug? No you didnt. You could enjoy this game if you wanted to. I can and lots of people can also. You wont acomplish anything with complaining about the game. And you should give a try installing some mods and fixes. For example Carls' bug fixer or the LTC mod. They make the game even better.

[Bijo]

Heh heh heh

Zarker, Zarker. I know exactly what you mean, but - as kinda said already - they'll publish as soon as possible. It's all about the $. And there ain't much gong to stop 'em from doing so.

Seems that Sega's been quite bad on your list. But I have a possible therapy for you that could make you feel better: get yourself an old Sega console or a recent Sega game. And I mean to really buy it and have it in your hands, and then you put some oil or something on it and you burn the thing to nothing!

I've seen it working for some people (and they didn't even mind the $ they paid!).

[kublikhan3]

I think he has a right to vent if he wants. If games are being released below community standards we customers SHOULD be complaining, or else future games will be pushed out even more buggy in the future. "They didn't complain last time, this time I want you to shorten your QA cycle by a further 2 weeks." and so forth. And no, you don't have to troll forums to see bugs in the game. I have seen my cavalry "escort" routing units out of the battle many times.

You may like all bugs pushed off in one thread with the other 99.9% of the forum to be praise of the game, but I say the more people complaining about a problem the better. Better chance it will be fixed, and better odds problem will not happen again in the future.

[Ar7]

I completely agree with you, this game is rushed and it's easier to name what actually works instead of listing the bugs. And to answer some people, yes I did notice all the bugs when I began playing, since peasants beat armored sargeants and the DEKs that charged mailed knights from behind didn't kill anything.

I mean look at the list of bugs, every single one of them is game breaking:

On the battle level:

-Shield Bug
-2H bug
-Cavalry charge bug
-Chasing routers bug
-The delay that often occurs between the time when the order was given and it actually was carried out.

On the strategic level

-Diplomacy is useless
-Traits don't work as they were supposed to
-Random AI behaviour that really nullifies any hint on strategy

All of this made the game a painful experience for me, I tried to enjoy it, I really did, but I simply could not. It is full of bugs and missing the actualt strategic element, it's way too linear.

So until a decent amount of patches or mods comes out I am switching to EUIII

[Memnoch]

I think he has a right to vent if he wants. If games are being released below community standards we customers SHOULD be complaining, or else future games will be pushed out even more buggy in the future. "They didn't complain last time, this time I want you to shorten your QA cycle by a further 2 weeks." and so forth. And no, you don't have to troll forums to see bugs in the game. I have seen my cavalry "escort" routing units out of the battle many times.

You may like all bugs pushed off in one thread with the other 99.9% of the forum to be praise of the game, but I say the more people complaining about a problem the better. Better chance it will be fixed, and better odds problem will not happen again in the future.

Ultimately the best way to complain is with your wallet - either return the game and ask for a refund (if you can) or just don't buy any more games from a particular publisher/developer. The law of supply and demand will ultimately force a change in behaviour from the publisher/developer. And send an email or something to the boffins in charge to let them know of your displeasure.

Personally I don't have much to complain about, I'm enjoying the game, although I have most of the eye candy turned off. But everyone's experience is different.

[Dutch_guy]

I've seen a lot of threads on bugs in this forum, and basically these haven't spoiled by enjoyment, or even been noticed (but then i dont tend to notice the deeper mechanisms that much). But when i do see annoying glitches - like units giving up on chasing down routing units, cavalry 'escorting' routing units off the fieeld instead of skewering the lots of them post haste, and many units holding committies for a 10 seconds debating if they should follow my last order while their target recedes further and further into the distance, just really gets to me.

Aye, I agree 100 percent with the quoted. I do hate it when the enemy king flees the battle successfully after my light cavalry stopped chasing him at least a dozen times. It's a pain, but then again, I was a pain in Rome also. It's the same problem, coted in better graphics - it really is.

I think you mentioned playing Rome, right ? Well then I hope we can agree on it that Medieval2 was / is in a much better condition than Rome was at release. Don't let the various (great) modifications fool you, they're already in the making for M2 also, plus, a new patch is on the way.

You have every right to complain (in a civilised fashion, as you've shown thus far), but keep in mind that it's quite popular to do so and it isn't a must. May seem strange, that last bit, but then again one does get the impression this happens more than one might think. How many threads are made which highlight the good things of the game, at least a dozen less than those augmenting the flaws of it.Which can be explained by the simple fact a lot of content people are either playing or not registered, but that's something else entirely