M2TW: Worth the Price?

[redriver]

I waited to buy M2TW after the RTW debacle, where bugs are still present, despite a community pointing them out.

But it seems like the same bug had bitten M2TW, and it will be a game with maybe a few patches, but largely unsupported, and with grevious bugs. This is unacceptable to me. Do you guys think that CA has changed their policy from RTW and will support this game?

Furthermore I have to upgrade my computer to run it, which will cost additionally.

Is M2TW worth the price for me?

dead on.. ya hit it on the head bro!
and if ya think RTW was bad meet a new champ! don't recall RTW ever had that many glarin' gamebrakin' bugs this game has had on release!
also, RTW graphics are more than pleasin' especially if ya look at some mods that use medieval theme to make it more fair to compare...

my vote was a big fat NO. I didn't buy the game for 2 reasons:
1) don't have the hardware to enjoy the only thin' m2tw is good for - graphics
2) too many bugs and we already have mtw game.. with more deapth and features just lesser graphics...

[Lord_hazard]

It will be. Im sure the game will be fixed in due time. Just sad they the pubs had to rush the devs (atleast thats what i think is the most logical explanation.).

[Odin]

No it isnt. Most new releases now are mediocre beta's that get the label "gold" and they are put out. You buy a new PC game today at release, you can count on some blemishs. If you like the give and take of testing features reporting bugs and participating in solutions by all means shell out your 50.00.

Personally I dont want to be a paying beta tester.

[Bijo]

@fallen
What I say to you is this: don't get it. This game, wherein many bugs are, is not worth $40 or $50 whatever it costs (forgot the price already, I'd like to forget :P). Or perhaps it is, as it's become the standard to release buggy unfinished games?
Sure, it can be enjoyed, but you'll notice things are wrong therewith as soon as you start playing or when you just pay enough attention (which I wouldn't recommend). But if you decide getting it, just enjoy it (and I'd say don't come to this forum to read about bugs and stuff, heh heh).

[screwtype]

No it isnt. Most new releases now are mediocre beta's that get the label "gold" and they are put out. You buy a new PC game today at release, you can count on some blemishs. If you like the give and take of testing features reporting bugs and participating in solutions by all means shell out your 50.00.

Personally I dont want to be a paying beta tester.

Me either. I will not be buying M2TW until I hear all the major bugs have been fixed. It's plain to me I'd hate to play the game in its current state. There are some people who actually think RTW is a better game, and that says it all to me.

Quite frankly, I'm pretty much finished with being a fan of the Total War series anyhow. In my opinion the only really good game they put out was Shogun/MI, it's been downhill all the way since. I don't see myself ever buying a full price TW game again, in fact I'll probably wait until they are published by Red Ant Software for $9.95.

[Odin]

Me either. I will not be buying M2TW until I hear all the major bugs have been fixed. It's plain to me I'd hate to play the game in its current state. There are some people who actually think RTW is a better game, and that says it all to me.

Quite frankly, I'm pretty much finished with being a fan of the Total War series anyhow. In my opinion the only really good game they put out was Shogun/MI, it's been downhill all the way since. I don't see myself ever buying a full price TW game again, in fact I'll probably wait until they are published by Red Ant Software for $9.95.

I personally like the time period and I will buy MTW2 some time in the future. That said it is the rare occassion when a PC game is released without some issues (like the spear thing, or cavalry charges). Some guys love the interaction and contibutions you do when you get a early release game.

I tip my hat to them, personally I'll wait until the company patches up thier game to correct issues that should already be fixed. Lots of companies release games and patch later under the guise of "support" and why do they do this?

Mainly because the can, gamers buy the game no matter what. If it wasnt profitable companies wouldnt do it. I understand its a business model and by all accounts (the TW series as an example) its very successful. For me I'll stick with MTW VI with a mod, why? Because its an excellent game refined, patched and modded to get the most out of the system, just like MTW2 will be 6-12 months from now.

[screwtype]

Perhaps I overstated the case a little. After all I haven't even played the game yet, maybe it's better than I've been led to believe.

All the same, I've been very disappointed to hear about all the bugs, especially with the AI and other important issues such as pathfinding and unit balance. When added to the fact that next to nothing has been done to revamp the clumsy campaign game and primitive economic system since Shogun, which have always been major gripes of mine, and it's clear to me that CA are never going to design the superior strategy game I once hoped to see from them.

But if they can't or won't design a good strategy game, at least I want a decent action game, and the plethora of bugs and AI inadequacies indicate that for whatever reason they are no longer delivering even that much.

And when all is said and done, I've already got three TW games on my hard drive, do I really need another one, especially when it's apparent the gameplay if anything has been going backwards since Shogun? I'm afraid the answer is no. If the AI had been getting better with each new release, I'd probably be lining up to put my money down along with everyone else. But when I know I can get better gameplay and more entertainment from Shogun, why bother?

So there's really no incentive for me to keep supporting this company with my dollars. My only real interest in M2TW is to see how much better the graphics are than in previous games, but I'm certainly not going to lay down AU$100 for the privilege.

TW is definitely in the "budget" category for me now, my interest is primarily in good, complex, immersive, and preferably historically realistic strategy games and that clearly isn't what CA is about. I'm really not sure what they're about anymore, except perhaps selling as many units as humanly possible, but if that's their overriding focus, they won't be selling much to me.

[Odin]

Perhaps I overstated the case a little. After all I haven't even played the game yet, maybe it's better than I've been led to believe.

A lot of very smart gamers think its a great game, I have no doubt its going to be a gem, but all precious stones need to be polished.

All the same, I've been very disappointed to hear about all the bugs, especially with the AI and other important issues such as pathfinding and unit balance.

I guess this is where you and I differ, I am not dissapointed at all, I have come to expect that new release games arent always up to snuff. As I have said, some guys love to be in on the fix, some (like me) prefer to wait until the games got a little patina on it.

TW is definitely in the "budget" category for me now, my interest is primarily in good, complex, immersive, and preferably historically realistic strategy games and that clearly isn't what CA is about. I'm really not sure what they're about anymore, except perhaps selling as many units as humanly possible, but if that's their overriding focus, they won't be selling much to me.

Well you and I have a completely different outlook, I think CA makes a pretty good game when its all said and done, Ive gotten a lot of enjoyment out of STW and MTW (didnt get RTW, not intrested in the time period). While no game is perfect, CA and the TW series certainly dosent mince its message on what you are getting, its a graphic intensive battle simulation with some strategy elements thrown in.