Dispatches: Undercover Mosque

[yesdachi]

How far do these people have to go before they are treasonous or at least guilty of sedition? Why not just put these troublemakers in the clink and remove them from causing dissent. There are some quotes in that article that sound like they are reason enough to bring up charges. Is it different because they are clerics? Or is the gov just allowing it to happen because any direct move would cause too many negative ramifications?

[Ignoramus]

Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.

Muslims concentrate themselves in one area, refuse to intergrate, gain a majority in the local council, and Islamisize everything. Recently here in Australia one of our local fast-food chains changed all their food to be halal complient. That offends me. As a Christian, I should not be forced to eat food that has been prepared in a Muslim way.

As you can also see from the outrage at the Pope's recent comments. All he did was quote a 14th century Byzantine emperor, and the Muslims go beserk. Come to think of it, they complain that we are vilifying them when we quote certain passages from the Koran that bid them to slay all the infidel.

They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.

The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.

[PanzerJaeger]

My work is being done for me.

Its good to see some people have opened their eyes...

We need to truly intergrate these people or kick them out.

[GoreBag]

Muslims concentrate themselves in one area, refuse to intergrate, gain a majority in the local council, and Islamisize everything. Recently here in Australia one of our local fast-food chains changed all their food to be halal complient. That offends me. As a Christian, I should not be forced to eat food that has been prepared in a Muslim way.

As a non-Christian, should I have to abide by laws funded upon Judeo-Christian values?

[lars573]

Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.

Muslims concentrate themselves in one area, refuse to intergrate, gain a majority in the local council, and Islamisize everything. Recently here in Australia one of our local fast-food chains changed all their food to be halal complient. That offends me. As a Christian, I should not be forced to eat food that has been prepared in a Muslim way.

As you can also see from the outrage at the Pope's recent comments. All he did was quote a 14th century Byzantine emperor, and the Muslims go beserk. Come to think of it, they complain that we are vilifying them when we quote certain passages from the Koran that bid them to slay all the infidel.

They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.

The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.

I could do the same for the "peaceful" religion of Christianity. The judeo-christian god was originally an ill tempered war god don't forget.

[Navaros]

What's wrong with an Islamic Republic of Britain, that would be totally awesome.

I wish good luck to the Muslims who strive for that goal. Even if they don't meet it, at least they are standing up for morality and trying to do something good for society.

Certainly is a lot more respectable of a goal to turn Britain to Islam than it is to try to shove the infidel institution of democracy down the throats of Muslim nations (ie: War on Iraq).

[Brenus]

“What's wrong with an Islamic Republic of Britain,” : REPUBLIC.
Joke apart, France had a lost past with Muslim and still wait for the Islamist wave to come. The last Riots were not Islamist, excepted in media.
The loyalty of the Muslims to France was largely illustrated in all French Battle Fields with the Tiraillleurs, Tabors, Goumiers, Spahis and Chasseurs d’Afrique fighting along side the purely French units.

[lancelot]

What's wrong with an Islamic Republic of Britain, that would be totally awesome.

I wish good luck to the Muslims who strive for that goal. Even if they don't meet it, at least they are standing up for morality and trying to do something good for society.

Certainly is a lot more respectable of a goal to turn Britain to Islam than it is to try to shove the infidel institution of democracy down the throats of Muslim nations (ie: War on Iraq).

Erm...what?

Islamic Republic.....'infidel institution of democracy'

[InsaneApache]

We tried being a republic once, we didn't like it much.

[Scurvy]

We tried being a republic once, we didn't like it much.

[Watchman]

Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.

Muslims concentrate themselves in one area, refuse to intergrate, gain a majority in the local council, and Islamisize everything. Recently here in Australia one of our local fast-food chains changed all their food to be halal complient. That offends me. As a Christian, I should not be forced to eat food that has been prepared in a Muslim way.

As you can also see from the outrage at the Pope's recent comments. All he did was quote a 14th century Byzantine emperor, and the Muslims go beserk. Come to think of it, they complain that we are vilifying them when we quote certain passages from the Koran that bid them to slay all the infidel.

They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.

The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.

I see a lot of venom, but not a shred of suggested solution that didn't boil down to naked xenophobia.

You make baby Jesus cry, you know that ?

[King Henry V]

Well we are yet to hear your great solution to the problem, Watchman.

[BDC]

Hating other people who are different is exactly what the Nazis did.

The xxx are coming! They will get you! Shoot them all!

[Watchman]

Well we are yet to hear your great solution to the problem, Watchman.

Never claimed I had one. But I'm not the one advocating the deportation of those nasty foreigners and their Godless habits either, now am I ?

No solution beats a patently wrong one any day.

[English assassin]

I'm afraid I am going to have to ban you from the Backroom for the wilful spouting of outrageous good sense and intelligent reflection.

What are you trying to do, put me out of business?

So anyway, should all guns be banned, or only those belonging to creationists?

[Banquo's Ghost]

So anyway, should all guns be banned, or only those belonging to creationists?

OK, you can stay.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

It's now Kukri's watch...

[King Henry V]

No solution beats a patently wrong one any day.

That would depend on the consequences of a lack of a solution.

[Watchman]

The Patently Wrong one would turn out worse per definition.

[caravel]

Regardless of the attendance figures at the mosques, it does only take a few of these "zealots" to blow themselves up on a tube train after all. Numbers don't even come into it. Despite this it is a minority thing, and the Dispatches program really did make a lot of effort to blow everything out of proportion. The whole thing smacked of an undercover NF meeting, and this is because these people are nasty little extremist toe rags. Islam is the cover story they use to gain support from the impressionable youth. In reality they're simply racists and west haters.

Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.

They don't integrate. I've lived among them for many years. As to why they don't integrate I'm not sure. I'm not even sure as to why they need to integrate either. Sikhs and Hindus don't integrate much either, come to think of it neither do christians. They all seem to stick to their own communities. I work with a bigoted christian woman that considers herself far superior to her co-workers, and doesn't socialise with non christians.

Muslims concentrate themselves in one area, refuse to intergrate, gain a majority in the local council, and Islamisize everything. Recently here in Australia one of our local fast-food chains changed all their food to be halal complient. That offends me. As a Christian, I should not be forced to eat food that has been prepared in a Muslim way.

I suppose if they make up the majority in a certain district then they will probably vote for someone that represents their interests, i.e. another muslim. In the UK everyone notices those news stories about corrupt muslim MPs never mind the fact that they're all corrupt anyway, regardless of colour or creed.

As you can also see from the outrage at the Pope's recent comments. All he did was quote a 14th century Byzantine emperor, and the Muslims go beserk. Come to think of it, they complain that we are vilifying them when we quote certain passages from the Koran that bid them to slay all the infidel.

Yes but that wasn't every muslim in the world was it? It was a minority again, a minority that the media love to film and photograph and show you again and again burning effigies or calling for jihads.

They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.

Read the bible and see much the same thing. Religion on the whole is a cancer on society. The biggest problem is interpretation.

The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.

I would prefer to export some chavs.

[English assassin]

On the other hand, once you subtract the undercover guys, I wonder how many actual devotees are attending services. Imams might be disappointed to learn they're preaching to the papers and the gov't and 10 old men.

IIRC a significant part of the Communist Party of Great Britain's funding and active members came from MI5.

Regardless of the attendance figures at the mosques, it does only take a few of these "zealots" to blow themselves up on a tube train after all. Numbers don't even come into it. Despite this it is a minority thing, and the Dispatches program really did make a lot of effort to blow everything out of proportion. The whole thing smacked of an undercover NF meeting, and this is because these people are nasty little extremist toe rags.

And without any disrespect to those who were killed or their relatives, it has to be said that blowing the tubes up did nothing whatsoever. Being blown up is a (minor) risk of modern life. Someone or other is ALWAYS blowing London up. I'm more worried about lunatic drivers.

The NF analogy is a good one. I couldn't care less about the NF either. I guess the difference is, when they screened that documentary on the BNP, there wasn't much danger that I as an ordinary member of the anglo saxon persuasion would have been looked at suspiciously in the street the next day. Whereas here we all are getting agitated about "muslims". I dare say a lot of ordinary muslims are having watercooler discussions today with their white colleagues in which they are having to explain that the people on the telly didn't represent mainstream muslim opinion.

Funny how I never have to repudiate the BNP.

Think about it chaps.

[Banquo's Ghost]

And without any disrespect to those who were killed or their relatives, it has to be said that blowing the tubes up did nothing whatsoever. Being blown up is a (minor) risk of modern life. Someone or other is ALWAYS blowing London up. I'm more worried about lunatic drivers.

The NF analogy is a good one. I couldn't care less about the NF either. I guess the difference is, when they screened that documentary on the BNP, there wasn't much danger that I as an ordinary member of the anglo saxon persuasion would have been looked at suspiciously in the street the next day. Whereas here we all are getting agitated about "muslims". I dare say a lot of ordinary muslims are having watercooler discussions today with their white colleagues in which they are having to explain that the people on the telly didn't represent mainstream muslim opinion.

Funny how I never have to repudiate the BNP.

Think about it chaps.

I'm afraid I am going to have to ban you from the Backroom for the wilful spouting of outrageous good sense and intelligent reflection.

What are you trying to do, put me out of business?

[Kralizec]

Well Banquo, I hope it's now apparent why I said in another thread why Saudi-financed mosques are "mildly discomforting".

I don't mind the mainstay of the muslim population, if they accept the law and mastered the language of the land it's good enough for me. When individuals start preaching garbage like in the article mentioned, it's open season. Deport them whenever legally possible.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Well Banquo, I hope it's now apparent why I said in another thread why Saudi-financed mosques are "mildly discomforting".

I don't mind the mainstay of the muslim population, if they accept the law and mastered the language of the land it's good enough for me. When individuals start preaching garbage like in the article mentioned, it's open season. Deport if legally possible, imprison otherwise.

There's rabble rousing nutters all over the place. I don't see why the few Muslim ones deserve to be singled out for "special treatment".

Personally, I'd like to see all the racist bigots newly grouped in the European Parliament (as I posted in another thread) put in a deep dark mine and concreted over.

However, because I value freedom of speech, diversity and the rule of law more, I recognise that I have to put up with their views.

When any of these people break the law and are properly convicted in a court of law, then one can impose punishment, ideally stringent. Whilst they are merely a bunch of fools embarrassing themselves and the three half-wits that turn up to listen, I'm not worried, let alone discomforted. As others have noted nine-tenths of their audience are probably spooks or journalists.

[Kralizec]

There's rabble rousing nutters all over the place. I don't see why the few Muslim ones deserve to be singled out for "special treatment".

Personally, I'd like to see all the racist bigots newly grouped in the European Parliament (as I posted in another thread) put in a deep dark mine and concreted over.

However, because I value freedom of speech, diversity and the rule of law more, I recognise that I have to put up with their views.

When any of these people break the law and are properly convicted in a court of law, then one can impose punishment, ideally stringent. Whilst they are merely a bunch of fools embarrassing themselves and the three half-wits that turn up to listen, I'm not worried, let alone discomforted. As others have noted nine-tenths of their audience are probably spooks or journalists.

I don't think that outside funding (including from S.A.) should be refused to mosques or islamic organisations at all times, however the source would have to be reviewed.

I too, recognise the value of free speech - if one was to say he would like to see Sharia law implemented in my country, that's part of his right. However if he says that muslims should implement it by overthrowing the existing laws and state...

Muslims must grow in strength... then take over.

This quote is however vague, possibly on purpose. (and it's of course possible that Bobby deliberately replaced part of the text with those dots to suggest) he could argue in court that he meant that a majority of muslims should be converted and then implement their ideas via democracy. Not much room for a criminal charge here.
Still, it's mildly discomforting.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It occurs to me that the main test of integration is whether you identify more with where you "come from" or where you are.

The "Cricket Test" while often held up as a xenophobic upper-class piece of drival is actually a pretty clever way of expressing it. If you are of Indian decent but were born in this country shouldn't you support the team that were born in the same country, at least when they play each other?

As to an "Islamic Republic" in Britain, it won't ever happen, there's already a backlash and multi-culturalism has been binned. Long before any minoriety group become truely significant the British will drive them out, litterally.

Right now the English, including myself, are willing to put up with quite a lot but any remotely serious rumblings of an Islamic state would put a lot of us, probably myself included, on the litteral warpath.

I will fight tooth and nail to protect my way of life, but I'd much rather not have to.

A new religious war in Europe is becomming one of my reccuring nightmares.

[Tribesman]

The "Cricket Test" while often held up as a xenophobic upper-class piece of drival is actually a pretty clever way of expressing it. If you are of Indian decent but were born in this country shouldn't you support the team that were born in the same country, at least when they play each other?

no that test fails miserably because England are crap at cricket .
How many of the plastics down the pub do you see shouting for Ireland against England in the Rugby ?

[Dâriûsh]

From the article:

Women, too, are inferior in Abu Usamah's eyes. He tells his audience: "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."

A great big load of manure from this baboon. You would be tempted to laugh at him if it wasn’t for the fact that he has an audience. Demagogues like this (convert) lunatic thrive on audiences of likeminded fools, even if it’s a small audience. And the best demagogues, of course, are trained and financed by the most staunch and noble ally in the war on terror.


I’m not surprised though. When you pander to the lowest common denominator you’re bound to get a following.


Oh, and I love this one:

Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.

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They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.

I eat pork, and I have a mild temper.

I do, however, still get turned away at night clubs, because I’m “one of them”. A shame, as I do enjoy integrating with the clubbing community.

The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.

If you narrowed it down to the demagogues with Saudi dollars, I’m all for it.