Dispatches: Undercover Mosque

[English assassin]

On the other hand, once you subtract the undercover guys, I wonder how many actual devotees are attending services. Imams might be disappointed to learn they're preaching to the papers and the gov't and 10 old men.

IIRC a significant part of the Communist Party of Great Britain's funding and active members came from MI5.

Regardless of the attendance figures at the mosques, it does only take a few of these "zealots" to blow themselves up on a tube train after all. Numbers don't even come into it. Despite this it is a minority thing, and the Dispatches program really did make a lot of effort to blow everything out of proportion. The whole thing smacked of an undercover NF meeting, and this is because these people are nasty little extremist toe rags.

And without any disrespect to those who were killed or their relatives, it has to be said that blowing the tubes up did nothing whatsoever. Being blown up is a (minor) risk of modern life. Someone or other is ALWAYS blowing London up. I'm more worried about lunatic drivers.

The NF analogy is a good one. I couldn't care less about the NF either. I guess the difference is, when they screened that documentary on the BNP, there wasn't much danger that I as an ordinary member of the anglo saxon persuasion would have been looked at suspiciously in the street the next day. Whereas here we all are getting agitated about "muslims". I dare say a lot of ordinary muslims are having watercooler discussions today with their white colleagues in which they are having to explain that the people on the telly didn't represent mainstream muslim opinion.

Funny how I never have to repudiate the BNP.

Think about it chaps.

[Banquo's Ghost]

And without any disrespect to those who were killed or their relatives, it has to be said that blowing the tubes up did nothing whatsoever. Being blown up is a (minor) risk of modern life. Someone or other is ALWAYS blowing London up. I'm more worried about lunatic drivers.

The NF analogy is a good one. I couldn't care less about the NF either. I guess the difference is, when they screened that documentary on the BNP, there wasn't much danger that I as an ordinary member of the anglo saxon persuasion would have been looked at suspiciously in the street the next day. Whereas here we all are getting agitated about "muslims". I dare say a lot of ordinary muslims are having watercooler discussions today with their white colleagues in which they are having to explain that the people on the telly didn't represent mainstream muslim opinion.

Funny how I never have to repudiate the BNP.

Think about it chaps.

I'm afraid I am going to have to ban you from the Backroom for the wilful spouting of outrageous good sense and intelligent reflection.

What are you trying to do, put me out of business?

[Kralizec]

Well Banquo, I hope it's now apparent why I said in another thread why Saudi-financed mosques are "mildly discomforting".

I don't mind the mainstay of the muslim population, if they accept the law and mastered the language of the land it's good enough for me. When individuals start preaching garbage like in the article mentioned, it's open season. Deport them whenever legally possible.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Well Banquo, I hope it's now apparent why I said in another thread why Saudi-financed mosques are "mildly discomforting".

I don't mind the mainstay of the muslim population, if they accept the law and mastered the language of the land it's good enough for me. When individuals start preaching garbage like in the article mentioned, it's open season. Deport if legally possible, imprison otherwise.

There's rabble rousing nutters all over the place. I don't see why the few Muslim ones deserve to be singled out for "special treatment".

Personally, I'd like to see all the racist bigots newly grouped in the European Parliament (as I posted in another thread) put in a deep dark mine and concreted over.

However, because I value freedom of speech, diversity and the rule of law more, I recognise that I have to put up with their views.

When any of these people break the law and are properly convicted in a court of law, then one can impose punishment, ideally stringent. Whilst they are merely a bunch of fools embarrassing themselves and the three half-wits that turn up to listen, I'm not worried, let alone discomforted. As others have noted nine-tenths of their audience are probably spooks or journalists.

[Kralizec]

There's rabble rousing nutters all over the place. I don't see why the few Muslim ones deserve to be singled out for "special treatment".

Personally, I'd like to see all the racist bigots newly grouped in the European Parliament (as I posted in another thread) put in a deep dark mine and concreted over.

However, because I value freedom of speech, diversity and the rule of law more, I recognise that I have to put up with their views.

When any of these people break the law and are properly convicted in a court of law, then one can impose punishment, ideally stringent. Whilst they are merely a bunch of fools embarrassing themselves and the three half-wits that turn up to listen, I'm not worried, let alone discomforted. As others have noted nine-tenths of their audience are probably spooks or journalists.

I don't think that outside funding (including from S.A.) should be refused to mosques or islamic organisations at all times, however the source would have to be reviewed.

I too, recognise the value of free speech - if one was to say he would like to see Sharia law implemented in my country, that's part of his right. However if he says that muslims should implement it by overthrowing the existing laws and state...

Muslims must grow in strength... then take over.

This quote is however vague, possibly on purpose. (and it's of course possible that Bobby deliberately replaced part of the text with those dots to suggest) he could argue in court that he meant that a majority of muslims should be converted and then implement their ideas via democracy. Not much room for a criminal charge here.
Still, it's mildly discomforting.

[Blodrast]

Wasn't there an anti-hate speech law passed in the UK like, last year or so ?
I can't remember precisely, but I was pretty sure it was at least proposed... didn't it pass ?

[Kralizec]

I think it was revised not to long ago, and a government spokesman said they might do it again because some BNP chiefs weren't found guilty in trial

[Samurai Waki]

Edit: Douple Post.

[Samurai Waki]

Personally I'm far more afraid of the Neo-Nazi's, the Christian Fundamentalists, and the Klu Klux Klan than I am of the Muslims, who seem rather complacent and don't want to be hassled by the government. They keep a low profile, in hopes that eventually people will forget about them, but in fact it just seems to make people more suspicious. Islam needs to open up a little bit and be less reserved, if you show someone a monster really isn't hiding in the closet, people will tend to believe you.

I've been called a Kek and a Dirty Jew by a few people before... and I'm German-Irish Catholic.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It occurs to me that the main test of integration is whether you identify more with where you "come from" or where you are.

The "Cricket Test" while often held up as a xenophobic upper-class piece of drival is actually a pretty clever way of expressing it. If you are of Indian decent but were born in this country shouldn't you support the team that were born in the same country, at least when they play each other?

As to an "Islamic Republic" in Britain, it won't ever happen, there's already a backlash and multi-culturalism has been binned. Long before any minoriety group become truely significant the British will drive them out, litterally.

Right now the English, including myself, are willing to put up with quite a lot but any remotely serious rumblings of an Islamic state would put a lot of us, probably myself included, on the litteral warpath.

I will fight tooth and nail to protect my way of life, but I'd much rather not have to.

A new religious war in Europe is becomming one of my reccuring nightmares.

[Tribesman]

The "Cricket Test" while often held up as a xenophobic upper-class piece of drival is actually a pretty clever way of expressing it. If you are of Indian decent but were born in this country shouldn't you support the team that were born in the same country, at least when they play each other?

no that test fails miserably because England are crap at cricket .
How many of the plastics down the pub do you see shouting for Ireland against England in the Rugby ?