@Lusted: Fair enough. I tend to find that No spear unit thats holds actually losses to cav so you where worrying me.

I would add i'm still slightly concerned as whilst having to use supporting units might be okay in the campaign (larger armies, stupid Ai and multipiule Stacks on 1 enemy stack), it worries me from an MP perspective as with a decent Human Opponnent, and equal sized armies the guy with spears shouldn't have a supporting unit to throw in becuase the rest are occuppied by the rest of the enemy army.

Genrally if a game is balanced in MP it needs only minor tweaks to be balanced in SP. On the other hand a game balanced in SP first and foremost isn't allways balanced in MP. Thus I tend to worry a lot asbout MP balance, even though i never play MP in games.

i'll wait and see how things go before making final judgments though.