Empowering the "Victim" classes. Double standards?

[BDC]

How about we just deport all the racists?

We don't want them back...

[AntiochusIII]

We don't want them back...

Australia can have it.

I'm enjoying this thread, by the way. It's a good start for a good day of white-bashing and self-victimization.

Evilz whyt opres0rs lolol.

[InsaneApache]

While it's often the case that some blacks in the USA have chips on there shoulders, who can blame them? It's not been that long since they had to sit on certain park benches and ride on blacks only busses.

As most of the regulars here know my dad married an African American and some of the things that she has told me that goes on, has made me feel ashamed to belong to the Anglo-Saxon race.

One of the reasons that they do not live in the (southern) USA is her real concerns about my dads welfare.

One thing she did relate to me that I found interesting was how she perceived Africans. They walk completely differently apparently. Something to do with self-confidence and self-belief.

BTW she used to vote Republican until Shrub 43.

[Strike For The South]

While it's often the case that some blacks in the USA have chips on there shoulders, who can blame them? It's not been that long since they had to sit on certain park benches and ride on blacks only busses.

As most of the regulars here know my dad married an African American and some of the things that she has told me that goes on, has made me feel ashamed to belong to the Anglo-Saxon race.

One of the reasons that they do not live in the (southern) USA is her real concerns about my dads welfare.

One thing she did relate to me that I found interesting was how she perceived Africans. They walk completely differently apparently. Something to do with self-confidence and self-belief.

BTW she used to vote Republican until Shrub 43.

What concerns. Did she think he would be harrassed becuase he married a black woman?

[InsaneApache]

What concerns. Did she think he would be harrassed becuase he married a black woman?

Yes.

[Strike For The South]

Yes.

Well thats an old and dated worry. They could move to Texas Alabama Mississippi or any southern state and face no pursecution.

[InsaneApache]

Well thats an old and dated worry. They could move to Texas Alabama Mississippi or any southern state and face no pursecution.

That's not what she says.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'll never understand this argument, it is completely absurd. I really hate it. It's like saying that whites should be slaves to blacks for past injustices. Why should I, as a white male living today, have to pay for what happened years before I was born? I personally did not commit any crime, so why should I be punished? Similarly, the women and blacks living today did not live back then either, so why should they get special privileges and rights? Your argument reeks of sexism and racism, but I guess that's ok, right? After all, only whites can be racist and only men can be sexist. Silly me. Hooray for double standards!

What its true. In America today whites are tuaght to be ashamed and blacks are tuaght that we are evil and our mission in life is to keep them down. Racism is often an excuse for failure in our day and age.

I think what SFTS is trying to say is that we are constantly reminded through television, media, education etc, that whites, particularly the British and Americans are responsible for slavery and persecution in the past. The "nanny state" constantly reminds us that e.g. a black man committed a crime because he felt excluded from (white) society, black boys are not doing well at school because their needs are not being addressed by the (white) education system, asian youths are turning to extremism due to their being discriminated against (by whites).

There is alot of this "blame culture" going on, and the blame always seems to sit squarely on the shoulders of the whites, it's always ok to blame them, and doing so isn't racist. They are the intolerant bigots that need to change, whereas the minorities are simply "misunderstood". It isn't people from ethnic minorities doing this, it's the politically correct loons that are actually widening the racial divide. This is generating resentment against whites among the black and asian muslim community in particular, which is coming full circle and increasing racist sentiment against these minorities overall. While minorities are perceived as a favoured group by the white working classes racism will be on the rise. This is simply undeniable. Unless this cycle is broken, and these PC lunatics are packed off to do some real work, the future as far as race relations are concerned, is pretty bleak.

I think it's evident a lot of whites see themselves as victims

[Cowhead418]

I think it's evident a lot of whites see themselves as victims

I've noticed a common theme here. Caravel, SFTS, and myself have all commented on the guilt shaming tactics that have been employed on us, and we are all in our teens. I don't know what school was like for you years ago, but you'd be surprised at some of the stuff I hear from my fellow students and teachers in school today. I agree with Caravel that all this is doing is driving a wedge between the two races, and is definately worsening the already sensitive racial relations.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I've noticed a common theme here. Caravel, SFTS, and myself have all commented on the guilt shaming tactics that have been employed on us, and we are all in our teens. I don't know what school was like for you years ago, but you'd be surprised at some of the stuff I hear from my fellow students and teachers in school today. I agree with Caravel that all this is doing is driving a wedge between the two races, and is definately worsening the already sensitive racial relations.

I'm 20

How diverse is your school?

[Cowhead418]

I'm 20

How diverse is your school?

I know I'm about to lose all my credibility here, but I guess I have to come clean now. When I saw this topic, I agreed with it in terms of gender issues, and not really race issues. But when I saw everyone making it into racial issue, I thought I wouldn't be able to be taken seriously with my point of view unless I jumped on board. In reality, I believe racism is still a big problem (not so much politically, but socially). I still have the same problems with people who use the race card in the ways I explained earlier, but I still mostly don't have issues with the methods used to "correct the balance." If you want to know, my school is mostly Asian, and white, and only about 5% black. The shaming tactics I refer to are not really directed at whites, but at men. In my English and US History classes, I can't tell you how many times I've been told by my feminist teachers and classmates that I "owe" women something for what happened in the past. Some of the double standards they promote and the things they say are appalling, and their sense of entitlement is sickening. Note: I'm not trying to start a "who has it worse" debate (I loathe those kinds of discussions), but count me as one of those who is tired of the bitching from feminazis, especially about the mythological "Patriarchy."

Alright, I've got my coat and I'm out the door. I know I've probably confused everyone with my sudden change in position, so I apologize. I'll go back to being a stupid, ignorant teenager now.

[Marshal Murat]

My point was about them feeling their newfound power after thousands of years.

Well, thousands of years is kinda long, especially since the use of slaves as plantation workers has only been around since probably 1500's or so. Slavery isn't just a black issue. Gauls, Germans, Brits, Angles, Franks, Saxons, Moors and more have been slaves. Its just that it was so long ago, I can't sue anyone in Rome for enslaving my Gallic great-infinite grandfather, since he was forced to work on Caesar's latifundia.

I have to say that the Irish were exploited, either pay to get out of the draft, or forced into the army, and while hard labor is never the same as risking your life for the country that didn't give you the choice, I understand.

The Chinese were also terribly exploited, forced to work on the railroads, and then when they worked for less than average wage they were hated and despised. They threatened the local economies and it wasn't cool to be a 'China man' in San Francisco. Have you heard about their civil rights activities?
I think that African-Americans have exploited some white regret for slavery. They started out like many of the yeomanry after the American Civil War. Poor, without a job. The African-Americans could work for a lower wage, and that threatened the yeomanry and their jobs. The pre-exisiting racial problems were exploded.

Just for example, Barrack Obama. A white mother, black Kenyan father. He lived with both parents, and has been fostered in a culture that promotes success. How has he done? Pretty darn good, Senator if I am correct.
It's the atmosphere that you live in, the social influences and pressures that are exerted on you. Barrack Obama started with a Kenyan father and has a darker skin tone, but was fostered to be successful. He is. The Kenyan father in Chicago with his white wife is going to be looked upon in a different way. The social stereotypes, pressures, and ideas about who you are affects who you become. How you are raised is what you become.


I have to say the feminist have the best of both worlds. They can vote, own property, and still be able to pull 'ladies first'.

[Del Arroyo]

There are a couple of points I would like to interject here. First of all, "minorities", as in minority populations of the United States of America, have not been oppressed for thousands of years. The US has only existed as an independent republic for a little over two hundred years.

If you are attempting to extend this statement backwards in time, arguing that the genetic or political predecessors of "the oppressors" have been oppressing the genetic or political predecessors of "the oppressed", then you are patently and quite totally mistaken. If you look at human history as a whole, or even fairly recent human history, what you see is a whole bunch of people oppressing a whole bunch of other people, without very much discrimination on the basis of religion, race or creed.

Or, to put it in more accurate, neutral terms, you see all sorts of vibrant personal interaction, with a great variety of power relationships between the parties involved.

As far as gender issues are concern, men have historically been affected by society-imposed gender roles just as much as have women. Men were expected to be physically brave and strong, and serve the family by hunting, building, and exploring, things which most men enjoyed. Women were expected to be nurturing and loyal, serving the family by making homes, creating families, and caring for small children-- things which most women enjoyed.

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The real story here is that economic change always outpaces social change, thus creating imbalances. Whenever there is an imbalance there will be pressure to correct it, and history has shown us that usually this pressure wins out in the end. Economic change marches on, rinse and repeat.