Quote Originally Posted by Vuk
"Others have been just plain common sense, like making wheelchair access mandatory in buildings, or forcing employers to hold womens' jobs while they are on maternity leave."
That is not empowering any one or giving anyone special treatment. That is acknowledging that there is a difference in sexes and that each has special needs - something that a lot say is sexist. People think it is wrong to differentiate or discriminate, when it is totally necesarry. (I considered not using the word 'discriminate' because of the bad rep the media has given it, but when you think of it, there is nothing wrong with discrimination. When you pick out eggs at the supermarket and choose one carton over the other because of the quality, you are discriminating. When you walk into a room and try to find someone of the opposite sex to talk to, and pass one over for one better built or looking, you are discriminating. etc etc Discrimination doesn't have to be giving one person a job over another because of their skin colour...just wanted to clear that up...)

Now let's talk common sense vs. PC BS.

PC BS: Blacks were slaves for a few hundred years so now all blacks get special treatment over whites.

Sounds fair right? Now let's try throwing a little common sense in and see what happens.
First of all, I don't buy into the fact that all blacks get special treatment over whites. Second, you are missing the point. Measures we are taking (such as affirmative action, which I admit is a very imperfect policy) now are not meant as "payback" for past offenses against blacks. They are meant to offer more equal opportunity in an environment that still discriminates against minorities.

You can argue that that is not what the measures are actually achieving, but that was their intent.

Quote Originally Posted by Vuk
Common Sense:
FACT: 99% of slave traders were black and well before whites bought slaves from them they had been enslaving other blacks. That is, blacks held more black slaves than whites, and for longer than whites. Also, blacks starved, tortured, mutilated, and even ate their slaves - in the south where slaves were a valuable commodity, they were treated extremely well for the most part. (Which isn't to say there wasn't a lot of abuse - there was. That is where the "for the most part" comes in...)
They were not treated "extremely well." You need a serious dose of reality. The simple fact that they were considered to be property precludes the use of the phrase "extremely well" when describing how slaves were treated in America.

Quote Originally Posted by Vuk
FACT: A white slave trade was going on at the same time and there were more white slaves in America than black slaves. Also, the black slaves were treated fairly well for slaves, while the white slaves were worked to death and put into brothels.

Ok, Common sense threw out its facts, now let's see it argument.
You're going to have to provide some sources that don't come from white sepremist websites before I can buy any of that.

Quote Originally Posted by Vuk
Common Sense's argument: It is ridiculous to give people special treatment for wrongs done to their ancestors. I am part Irish and the Irish got treated a lot worse than the blacks - should I be raised on a pedastal? Anyone can did up some horrendous wrong done to their ancestors for a long amount of time, and we could go on forever with everyone sucking up to everyone. What matters is the NOW! It is too late to right past wrongs, and giving things to modern people completely undeserving of them isn't going to help those who suffered and died. What we can do now is make sure that every on IS (not was as that is to late) treated equally! Giving special treatment to a certain race or sex will only cause racial and sexual discourse. We will only complicate the situation more and more if we don't stop with the PC BS and use a little common sense. What ever did happen to that golden vision odf equality? "I have a dream!"
1) The Irish Americans were in no way treated worse than the slaves.

2) You're still missing the point. Current measures aimed at equalization are not meant as punishments for whites or gifts for blacks because of the past. They are meant as levellers for the present.

Quote Originally Posted by Vuk
I don't know about you, but it seemed to me that Common sense whooped the pants of PC BS!
Sure it did.

If, by "common sense" you mean "a bunch of stuff you just made up."