Empowering the "Victim" classes. Double standards?

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First of all, I don't buy into the fact that all blacks get special treatment over whites. Second, you are missing the point. Measures we are taking (such as affirmative action, which I admit is a very imperfect policy) now are not meant as "payback" for past offenses against blacks. They are meant to offer more equal opportunity in an environment that still discriminates against minorities.

No, giving equal opportunities is giving equal opportunities - giving special treatment or elevated status isn't. And don't tell me that women and minorities don't get both. I've lived long enough to see that. I think it is horrible that they shouldn't get equal opportunities, but I think it is equally horrible to see them getting special treatment. If you say it is horrible that one sect of society or culture got special treament, but not that it is horrible that another sect got equal treatment, you are saying that one is better than the other, and that is the essence of the negativity given to the word: discrimination. Saying women are better than men is JUST as sexist as saying men are better than women. Saying blacks are better than whites is JUST as racist as saying whites are better than blacks. You guys are being just as sexist and racist as the guys we just worked so hard to get rid of!!

You can argue that that is not what the measures are actually achieving, but that was their intent.

I beg to differ.

They were not treated "extremely well." You need a serious dose of reality. The simple fact that they were considered to be property precludes the use of the phrase "extremely well" when describing how slaves were treated in America.

You really need to read posts before responding to them. I said COMPARED to other slaves.

You're going to have to provide some sources that don't come from white sepremist websites before I can buy any of that.

Once again, we have a reading related problem. Before you respond to a post like this, may I suggest you read up on the subject.

P.S. I am afraid I don't know of any white supremist sites, perhaps I'll check one out after I check your GBBS website out...

1) The Irish Americans were in no way treated worse than the slaves.

2) You're still missing the point. Current measures aimed at equalization are not meant as punishments for whites or gifts for blacks because of the past. They are meant as levellers for the present.

MAN! You have to read more!! The Irish Americans were not given jobs and nearly all initial settlers died! They were persecuted, starved, beaten, put in brothels, etc.
The few boys who did get jobs got jobs in factories operating poor machinery, that should never have been put into use, or became chimney sweeper. Meanwhile rich WHITE women would sit in their parlors with their warm fire thinking of how to free the poor black slaves...while a little white boy was on the roof suffocating from their fires that they refused to extinguish while the chimney was swept.
Most whites considered the Irish worse than animals and thought nothing of their pain, misery, or lives. They thought less of the Irish than dirt under their feet, but at the same time deluded themselves with notions of their humanity by thinking of way to free the poor blacks.

There were sign that said things like: "Dogs, Jews, and Irish stay of grass", and "Such and such job, Irishmen need not apply."




Sure it did.

If, by "common sense" you mean "a bunch of stuff you just made up."

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I think he's taking "indentured servants" as slaves.

No, I am talking of both...

not true...

Maybe if you and GB spend more time reading and less time jumping to attack things you know nothing of you'd be worth me talking to... meant in a friendly way of course...

this makes more sense, the very PC media coverage etc has to be stopped...common sense tells me some counter-discrimination is needed until equality is achieved....

You mean discrimination. Discriminating against a sect of society because old members of that sect committed discrimination is discrimination...and completely retarded....



so actually very very badly, just like all slaves are treated very very badly....


Not as badly as most think, though there were cases. The point is, not as bad as a lot of whites. So if blacks get special treatment, shouldn't those whites?

this isnt PC or BS, infact its completely incorrect, not all blacks get special treatment, and its because of the descrimination they suffer now, not from the past that the measures are in place... it might be that the past slavery put them in the position they are now, but thats not the reason for the treatment's existance...

Wrong. People always treat blacks with kid gloves because they are afraid they will say or do something one may consider racist. Also, the government gives them special treatment. Don't tell me it isn't true, as I said above I've lived long enough to know it is.
Whites think they should feel guilty about something they didn't even do, it is quite pathetic.
Sorry I have not been on, my financial aid was dropped and I have to get a third job. I have been very busy. One of best friends (who has never done or attempted to do a days work in his life, is getting his college and living paid for by taxpayers because he is black. He is getting grades much lower than mine also.