Dispatches: Undercover Mosque

[ZombieFriedNuts]

the only link at the moment
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...name_page.html

It was on 8:00 Channel 4 today it’s quite a scary depiction of radical Islam clerics in Britain.
They want to make Britain an Islamic (I was going to say republic but they don’t believe in that what is it called when religious leaders run a country.) and force everyone to be Islamic, they are really quite deluded.
Did anyone else see it

[Marshal Murat]

Theocracy is one republic led by religious leaders, kind like Iran (but not)

[Strike For The South]

And yall do nothing? Pathetic

[Redleg]

And yall do nothing? Pathetic

Kind of like what we in the United States do with the Mexican group that advocates the return of California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, and parts of Nevada, Utah and Colorado to Mexico.

Ignore it and grant the illegals ammensty.

[Strike For The South]

Kind of like what we in the United States do with the Mexican group that advocates the return of California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, and parts of Nevada, Utah and Colorado to Mexico.

Ignore it and grant the illegals ammensty.

Well its a problem with the entire western world really. These people are happy to use what we have given them agianst us. Something is being lost in translation

[Tribesman]

From the article....

IN a dilapidated mosque, half a dozen awestruck young men listen to a preacher spell out his vision for Britain.

.....He certainly knows how to draw a big crowd .
the muslims are coming to get you

[Watchman]

Well, lunatic fringe is lunatic fringe.

[KukriKhan]

Isn't the Mirror kind of the UK equivalent of the Nat'l Enquirer? Celeb stories, Poli scandals, sex romps and UFO sightings? If they've got undercover reporters monitoring mosques, I'd presume the gov't does too. That's not exactly "doing nothing".

On the other hand, once you subtract the undercover guys, I wonder how many actual devotees are attending services. Imams might be disappointed to learn they're preaching to the papers and the gov't and 10 old men.

[ZombieFriedNuts]

Isn't the Mirror kind of the UK equivalent of the Nat'l Enquirer? Celeb stories, Poli scandals, sex romps and UFO sightings? If they've got undercover reporters monitoring mosques, I'd presume the gov't does too. That's not exactly "doing nothing".

Yes its exactly like that but it was the only link at the time there is probably a better one by now.
It was the tv program I was wandering about the clerics, they talking about who wear taking about hitting 10 year old girls for not wearing the hijab (head to tow in black), saying paedophilia is ok because the prophet mohammed married a 10 year old girl, blowing up Indian business killing Jews and all other non-Muslims, they where also taking about brainwashing at one point.
And thanks for that Marshal Murat I thought it was something like that but it wouldn’t be a republic they don’t believe in that sort of nonsense apparently,

[yesdachi]

How far do these people have to go before they are treasonous or at least guilty of sedition? Why not just put these troublemakers in the clink and remove them from causing dissent. There are some quotes in that article that sound like they are reason enough to bring up charges. Is it different because they are clerics? Or is the gov just allowing it to happen because any direct move would cause too many negative ramifications?

[Ignoramus]

Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.

Muslims concentrate themselves in one area, refuse to intergrate, gain a majority in the local council, and Islamisize everything. Recently here in Australia one of our local fast-food chains changed all their food to be halal complient. That offends me. As a Christian, I should not be forced to eat food that has been prepared in a Muslim way.

As you can also see from the outrage at the Pope's recent comments. All he did was quote a 14th century Byzantine emperor, and the Muslims go beserk. Come to think of it, they complain that we are vilifying them when we quote certain passages from the Koran that bid them to slay all the infidel.

They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.

The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.

[PanzerJaeger]

My work is being done for me.

Its good to see some people have opened their eyes...

We need to truly intergrate these people or kick them out.

[GoreBag]

Muslims concentrate themselves in one area, refuse to intergrate, gain a majority in the local council, and Islamisize everything. Recently here in Australia one of our local fast-food chains changed all their food to be halal complient. That offends me. As a Christian, I should not be forced to eat food that has been prepared in a Muslim way.

As a non-Christian, should I have to abide by laws funded upon Judeo-Christian values?

[lars573]

Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.

Muslims concentrate themselves in one area, refuse to intergrate, gain a majority in the local council, and Islamisize everything. Recently here in Australia one of our local fast-food chains changed all their food to be halal complient. That offends me. As a Christian, I should not be forced to eat food that has been prepared in a Muslim way.

As you can also see from the outrage at the Pope's recent comments. All he did was quote a 14th century Byzantine emperor, and the Muslims go beserk. Come to think of it, they complain that we are vilifying them when we quote certain passages from the Koran that bid them to slay all the infidel.

They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.

The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.

I could do the same for the "peaceful" religion of Christianity. The judeo-christian god was originally an ill tempered war god don't forget.

[Navaros]

What's wrong with an Islamic Republic of Britain, that would be totally awesome.

I wish good luck to the Muslims who strive for that goal. Even if they don't meet it, at least they are standing up for morality and trying to do something good for society.

Certainly is a lot more respectable of a goal to turn Britain to Islam than it is to try to shove the infidel institution of democracy down the throats of Muslim nations (ie: War on Iraq).

[Brenus]

“What's wrong with an Islamic Republic of Britain,” : REPUBLIC.
Joke apart, France had a lost past with Muslim and still wait for the Islamist wave to come. The last Riots were not Islamist, excepted in media.
The loyalty of the Muslims to France was largely illustrated in all French Battle Fields with the Tiraillleurs, Tabors, Goumiers, Spahis and Chasseurs d’Afrique fighting along side the purely French units.

[lancelot]

What's wrong with an Islamic Republic of Britain, that would be totally awesome.

I wish good luck to the Muslims who strive for that goal. Even if they don't meet it, at least they are standing up for morality and trying to do something good for society.

Certainly is a lot more respectable of a goal to turn Britain to Islam than it is to try to shove the infidel institution of democracy down the throats of Muslim nations (ie: War on Iraq).

Erm...what?

Islamic Republic.....'infidel institution of democracy'

[Watchman]

Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.

Muslims concentrate themselves in one area, refuse to intergrate, gain a majority in the local council, and Islamisize everything. Recently here in Australia one of our local fast-food chains changed all their food to be halal complient. That offends me. As a Christian, I should not be forced to eat food that has been prepared in a Muslim way.

As you can also see from the outrage at the Pope's recent comments. All he did was quote a 14th century Byzantine emperor, and the Muslims go beserk. Come to think of it, they complain that we are vilifying them when we quote certain passages from the Koran that bid them to slay all the infidel.

They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.

The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.

I see a lot of venom, but not a shred of suggested solution that didn't boil down to naked xenophobia.

You make baby Jesus cry, you know that ?

[King Henry V]

Well we are yet to hear your great solution to the problem, Watchman.

[BDC]

Hating other people who are different is exactly what the Nazis did.

The xxx are coming! They will get you! Shoot them all!

[Watchman]

Well we are yet to hear your great solution to the problem, Watchman.

Never claimed I had one. But I'm not the one advocating the deportation of those nasty foreigners and their Godless habits either, now am I ?

No solution beats a patently wrong one any day.

[caravel]

Regardless of the attendance figures at the mosques, it does only take a few of these "zealots" to blow themselves up on a tube train after all. Numbers don't even come into it. Despite this it is a minority thing, and the Dispatches program really did make a lot of effort to blow everything out of proportion. The whole thing smacked of an undercover NF meeting, and this is because these people are nasty little extremist toe rags. Islam is the cover story they use to gain support from the impressionable youth. In reality they're simply racists and west haters.

Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.

They don't integrate. I've lived among them for many years. As to why they don't integrate I'm not sure. I'm not even sure as to why they need to integrate either. Sikhs and Hindus don't integrate much either, come to think of it neither do christians. They all seem to stick to their own communities. I work with a bigoted christian woman that considers herself far superior to her co-workers, and doesn't socialise with non christians.

Muslims concentrate themselves in one area, refuse to intergrate, gain a majority in the local council, and Islamisize everything. Recently here in Australia one of our local fast-food chains changed all their food to be halal complient. That offends me. As a Christian, I should not be forced to eat food that has been prepared in a Muslim way.

I suppose if they make up the majority in a certain district then they will probably vote for someone that represents their interests, i.e. another muslim. In the UK everyone notices those news stories about corrupt muslim MPs never mind the fact that they're all corrupt anyway, regardless of colour or creed.

As you can also see from the outrage at the Pope's recent comments. All he did was quote a 14th century Byzantine emperor, and the Muslims go beserk. Come to think of it, they complain that we are vilifying them when we quote certain passages from the Koran that bid them to slay all the infidel.

Yes but that wasn't every muslim in the world was it? It was a minority again, a minority that the media love to film and photograph and show you again and again burning effigies or calling for jihads.

They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.

Read the bible and see much the same thing. Religion on the whole is a cancer on society. The biggest problem is interpretation.

The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.

I would prefer to export some chavs.

[English assassin]

On the other hand, once you subtract the undercover guys, I wonder how many actual devotees are attending services. Imams might be disappointed to learn they're preaching to the papers and the gov't and 10 old men.

IIRC a significant part of the Communist Party of Great Britain's funding and active members came from MI5.

Regardless of the attendance figures at the mosques, it does only take a few of these "zealots" to blow themselves up on a tube train after all. Numbers don't even come into it. Despite this it is a minority thing, and the Dispatches program really did make a lot of effort to blow everything out of proportion. The whole thing smacked of an undercover NF meeting, and this is because these people are nasty little extremist toe rags.

And without any disrespect to those who were killed or their relatives, it has to be said that blowing the tubes up did nothing whatsoever. Being blown up is a (minor) risk of modern life. Someone or other is ALWAYS blowing London up. I'm more worried about lunatic drivers.

The NF analogy is a good one. I couldn't care less about the NF either. I guess the difference is, when they screened that documentary on the BNP, there wasn't much danger that I as an ordinary member of the anglo saxon persuasion would have been looked at suspiciously in the street the next day. Whereas here we all are getting agitated about "muslims". I dare say a lot of ordinary muslims are having watercooler discussions today with their white colleagues in which they are having to explain that the people on the telly didn't represent mainstream muslim opinion.

Funny how I never have to repudiate the BNP.

Think about it chaps.

[Banquo's Ghost]

And without any disrespect to those who were killed or their relatives, it has to be said that blowing the tubes up did nothing whatsoever. Being blown up is a (minor) risk of modern life. Someone or other is ALWAYS blowing London up. I'm more worried about lunatic drivers.

The NF analogy is a good one. I couldn't care less about the NF either. I guess the difference is, when they screened that documentary on the BNP, there wasn't much danger that I as an ordinary member of the anglo saxon persuasion would have been looked at suspiciously in the street the next day. Whereas here we all are getting agitated about "muslims". I dare say a lot of ordinary muslims are having watercooler discussions today with their white colleagues in which they are having to explain that the people on the telly didn't represent mainstream muslim opinion.

Funny how I never have to repudiate the BNP.

Think about it chaps.

I'm afraid I am going to have to ban you from the Backroom for the wilful spouting of outrageous good sense and intelligent reflection.

What are you trying to do, put me out of business?

[Kralizec]

Well Banquo, I hope it's now apparent why I said in another thread why Saudi-financed mosques are "mildly discomforting".

I don't mind the mainstay of the muslim population, if they accept the law and mastered the language of the land it's good enough for me. When individuals start preaching garbage like in the article mentioned, it's open season. Deport them whenever legally possible.

[Dâriûsh]

From the article:

Women, too, are inferior in Abu Usamah's eyes. He tells his audience: "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."

A great big load of manure from this baboon. You would be tempted to laugh at him if it wasn’t for the fact that he has an audience. Demagogues like this (convert) lunatic thrive on audiences of likeminded fools, even if it’s a small audience. And the best demagogues, of course, are trained and financed by the most staunch and noble ally in the war on terror.


I’m not surprised though. When you pander to the lowest common denominator you’re bound to get a following.


Oh, and I love this one:

Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.

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They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.

I eat pork, and I have a mild temper.

I do, however, still get turned away at night clubs, because I’m “one of them”. A shame, as I do enjoy integrating with the clubbing community.

The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.

If you narrowed it down to the demagogues with Saudi dollars, I’m all for it.

[Crazed Rabbit]

A depressing - though not too surprising - investigation into what is being preached at the major mosques of Britain:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...er_Mosque&only

Part I 7:35-
"By the age of ten it becomes an obligation of us to force her to wear the hijab. And if she doesn't wear hijab we hit her"

I'm sure that doesn't mean any women in Britain are actually being forced to wear it, that it is 'their own choice' to completely cover themselves and we're all just intolerant racists if we say it shouldn't be worn in western society

CR

[Tribesman]

Wow Rabbit , you managed to miss a whole two page topic on this.
A depressing - though not too surprising - occurance

[Crazed Rabbit]

I wanted to start a new thread with the actual video, thank you very much.

Anyone - perhaps those who insist all Muslims are peaceful and don't want to bother us - want to comment on this? (And not some useless drivel, unrelated to the topic or actual discussion, like what tribesy posted (A depressing - though not at all surprising - occurance ))

The preachers in this video want to make England into an Islamic state, to prosecute unbelievers and wage jihad on others. What is Britain going to do?

CR

[Scurvy]

I wanted to start a new thread with the actual video, thank you very much.

Anyone - perhaps those who insist all Muslims are peaceful and don't want to bother us - want to comment on this?

I couldnt get the vid to work, but i dont think anyone would claim "all muslims" are peaceful, its only a very small minority in question

--> prob best to stick to original thread....