khelvan, please don't take me comments out of context. I'm not knocking CA at all. I've played all their games and bought all their games and loved all their games. I don't mod so I would never demand anything of you guys. I was just curious about what you guys were up to.

I can appreciate your comments about the sandbox. It's sort of like the difference between playing with plastic army men when your a kid or molding and painting lead models with painstaking accuracy. ( Which I used to do with my dad). It's pretty clear which crowd EB appeals to. However, I can appreciate that some kids would just want to dive into Ca's version and that EB would go over some people's heads. Especially people with little interest in history. I understand that CA has to appeal to a wider audience than hard-core gamers.

But don't selll yourselves short. What the EB team has done is really quite impressive. And I know I'm not the only one who can't go back to vanilla after playing it. That says a lot.