Re: Civil war is because "We don't have enough guns"
But... more guns makes the USA safer. I'm sure loads of people have been saying this!
If all Iraqis have an M-16, the whole region will be peaceful. I'm sure that the NRA said something similar. Oh, and of course then no foreign power will be able to occupy the land either...
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Re: Civil war is because "We don't have enough guns"
No no no Rory , it is that if they all had guns then they could overthrow their government if they didn't like it , and of course in self defense shoot any agent of the government who came to take their guns away .If all Iraqis have an M-16, the whole region will be peaceful. I'm sure that the NRA said something similar. Oh, and of course then no foreign power will be able to occupy the land either...
It is vitally important that citizens should have guns ,and even more vital that the government should have no permanant record of who exactly has which guns just in case they decide to try and take guns off people .
Re: Civil war is because "We don't have enough guns"
So, Iraq is coming close to an NRA utopia - masses of weapons and no one has any idea who owns them. Everyone persuing their God-given right to freedom by shooting anyone who is a potential threat (for example by having a weapon).
Couldn't the NRA set up some sort of donation so they could send across some cheap guns with the serials filed off to alow the Iraqis to continue to persue their gun-filled utopia? If the state can't provide, it is up to like minded freedom loving people to fill the void.
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An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
Re: Civil war is because "We don't have enough guns"
Well they was going to send Charlton Heston on a speaking tour , but pulled out when he refused to venture outside of the green-zone , because someone might have ended up taking his gun from his cold dead hands .
Re: Civil war is because "We don't have enough guns"
Just pull out, and take all the media with you. If we can't see it, it isn't happening.
Re: Civil war is because "We don't have enough guns"
Was it two or three years ago they embarked on that money for guns program in Iraq? People would hand over their self-defence weapons, like AK-47’s, machine guns, RPG’s, mortars, tanks, etc, and get dinars in return. And with their new dinars they could buy twice as many weapons and resell them all over again.
But bullet prices are actually skyrocketing in Iraq these days. More demand than supply can handle.
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Re: Civil war is because "We don't have enough guns"
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
But... more guns makes the USA safer. I'm sure loads of people have been saying this!
If all Iraqis have an M-16, the whole region will be peaceful. I'm sure that the NRA said something similar. Oh, and of course then no foreign power will be able to occupy the land either...
Apparently there aren't enough nannies to go round.Tribesman Well they was going to send Charlton Heston on a speaking tour , but pulled out when he refused to venture outside of the green-zone , because someone might have ended up taking his gun from his cold dead hands .
Today 06:09
rory_20_uk So, Iraq is coming close to an NRA utopia - masses of weapons and no one has any idea who owns them. Everyone persuing their God-given right to freedom by shooting anyone who is a potential threat (for example by having a weapon).
Couldn't the NRA set up some sort of donation so they could send across some cheap guns with the serials filed off to alow the Iraqis to continue to persue their gun-filled utopia? If the state can't provide, it is up to like minded freedom loving people to fill the void.
Today 06:04
Tribesman Quote:
If all Iraqis have an M-16, the whole region will be peaceful. I'm sure that the NRA said something similar. Oh, and of course then no foreign power will be able to occupy the land either...
No no no Rory , it is that if they all had guns then they could overthrow their government if they didn't like it , and of course in self defense shoot any agent of the government who came to take their guns away .
It is vitally important that citizens should have guns ,and even more vital that the government should have no permanant record of who exactly has which guns just in case they decide to try and take guns off people .
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." *Jim Elliot*
Re: Civil war is because "We don't have enough guns"
I just watched 4 hours of US Senate testimony by General Dave Petraeus (bio link )
I'm guardedly hopeful for the first time in years, that our Iraq debacle can be turned around, and relatively quickly. If anyone can do it, this guy can; and if he fails, the subsequent finger-pointing will be at our politicos (and Iraq's), not our soldiers & marines.
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Re: Civil war is because "We don't have enough guns"
The part of his testimony that I saw impressed me greatly. He may be the best thing to come out of the 101st so far. I'm rather skeptical though, he was given command of the north and that's a relative piece of cake. The Kurds were given their own de facto country thanks to the no-fly zone and a lot of his work was done for him. The relatively monoethnic region has a lot to gain by sitting and waiting. If the center is able to pull the “country” apart the north can press their claims in other countries from a position of strength. Something the Turks especially dread.
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Re: Civil war is because "We don't have enough guns"
What ?The Kurds were given their own de facto country thanks to the no-fly zone and a lot of his work was done for him.
Do you mean that the ethnic Kurdish militias of different political persuations have managed to enforce their will on areas that their gunmen control .
Its funny isn't it , ethnic cleaning can produce a relatively monoethnic region .The relatively monoethnic region has a lot to gain by sitting and waiting.
Whodathunkit .
Woohoo if the Iranian and Israeli backed factions can manage to keep their internal figting to a minimum they can threaten their neighbours with a regional war .If the center is able to pull the “country” apart the north can press their claims in other countries from a position of strength.
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