valour

[Monarch]

I'm confused with valour upgrades. Usually I hardly ever upgrade on m2 so havn't looked too much into it. So a couple of points/questions, replies please

• 1 valour upgrade add +1 wep + shield, does it do anything else, like increase morale?
• Why the heck don't my units look all shiny on the battlefield when I stick a valour on, I mean they're getting an armour upgrade within the valour...

Just because I've got a few £££ left over on my new spanish army

[RTKBarrett]

I'm confused with valour upgrades. Usually I hardly ever upgrade on m2 so havn't looked too much into it. So a couple of points/questions, replies please

• 1 valour upgrade add +1 wep + shield, does it do anything else, like increase morale?
• Why the heck don't my units look all shiny on the battlefield when I stick a valour on, I mean they're getting an armour upgrade within the valour...

Just because I've got a few £££ left over on my new spanish army

Morale is an issue that is completely related to the valour upgrades mate. Weapon upgrades only increase attack in melee *even for missle troops* whilst defence upgrades increases a units skill defence. Base defence is protection against everything incl. missles *which skill does not protect against*
They dont look shiny on the field :D as a valour upgrade again is linked to the SKILL of that particular unit, and not his equipment.
If ure going to upgrade a unit i say choose either weapon or defence first as in battle that unit *if in prolonged combat* will eventually get the valour upgrade. If you already have a valour upgrade on a unit i believe it is harder to achieve the second/third valour so therefore it would be more cost efficient?

[CeltiberoMordred]

1 valour adds (theorically) +1 attack skill, +1 defense skill, and adds morale (+2 in previous TW, I don't know how much in M2TW, but it gives a morale boost). It also increases missile accuracy, although is not represented in stats. So, valor represents experience, and not a tecnological advance.

Armor upgrade gives +1 to armor (and therefore troops look shiny), which implies +1 to defense from all directions, and for both ranged and melee attacks. Defense due to valour only gives defense against frontal attacks, and only in melee.

[pike master]

something is wrong about it though it definetly raises morale but the +1 fighting skill at 1 exp thats listed on the unit card doesnt appear to be matching the wepon and armor upgrades or maybe the wepon upgrade has a higher effect than the unit card states. i wonder if anyone has an idea of whats going on here? noticed the same thing in rome about weapon upgrades beating valor upgrades.

[CeltiberoMordred]

IIRC in RTW weapon upgrade really gives +2 to melee attack, although stats only display a +1.

[CeltiberoMordred]

Something I noticed in M2TW:

Adding valour to units:

hobilars v0 = 7 att 7 def

hobilars v1 (bronzze chevron)= 8 att 8 def

hobilars v2 = 8 at 8 def

hobilars v3 = 8 at 8 def

hobilars v4 (silver chevron)= 9 att 9 def
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hobilars v7 (golden chevron)) 10 att 10 def

So I guess first step gives at+def+morale, and further only morale, until next chevron.

I wonder if internally it is done so or if each upgrade gives a real boost to attack and defense.

[DESTROYER!]

side question about valor.
is getting 3 chevrons the same thing as getting 1 chevron?

about missile troops. does it matter? everytime i upgrade the valour/weapon the missile damage doesnt seem to increase.