Abandoning Crusades

**irishron2004** · 02-07-2007, 17:38

I have a crusade going from Nottingham to Jerusalem. I put my guys on ships to lessen the threat of desertion and no good. I am now just off the coast of Portugal and down to three stacks. How do you desert in the Atlantic? If I'm on land and it happens because the Pope decides he doesn't like me but even then it shouldn't happen until I set foot on solid ground.

**Foz** · 02-08-2007, 00:15

Originally Posted by irishron2004

I have a crusade going from Nottingham to Jerusalem. I put my guys on ships to lessen the threat of desertion and no good. I am now just off the coast of Portugal and down to three stacks. How do you desert in the Atlantic? If I'm on land and it happens because the Pope decides he doesn't like me but even then it shouldn't happen until I set foot on solid ground.

Why you swim, of course!

Seriously though, desertion happens primarily when you travel in any direction that isn't right at your target, or else if you fail to make sufficient progress toward your destination. If you intend to take a crusading stack for a ride with your navy, make sure you don't have to go away from the crusade target ever - if you do, desertion is guaranteed. I recommend taking the army by land in that case, and picking it up at some point where you have a straight shot by sea. Also I recommend taking a big enough armada that you can fight your way through if need be - there can sometimes be a lot of AI ships in the way, and if you can't wail on them you can suffer a lot of desertion waiting for them to move on so you can get through. Often you want to avoid those unnecessary wars though, in which case you are probably best advised to again beach the crusade and send them a-marching until sea travel is again a viable (read: unimpeded) option.

**Tiberius maximus** · 02-23-2007, 16:03

you know i never abondon crusdes so this isnt my problem with the whole crusade thing...my problem is the total lack in variety of units for the crusade, once again!

**HoreTore** · 02-23-2007, 22:20

Lack of CRUSADING units?

Why, they have it all! Heavy spearmen, heavy cavalry and both light and heavy infantry as well as a cross! That's a good and broad selection of troops, not a bad one. You can do fine without having some of your own faction units. Only three types away from perfect - missiles, light cav and horse archers. And you can get all of those units when you're going through the balkans and turkey!

Lack of jihad units on the other hand... Two different types of light infantry...Not very good at all...

**gardibolt** · 02-23-2007, 22:31

All I ever get as the English, playing M/M are religious fanatics, pilgrims and occasionally some spearmen. I don't know how people are getting all these swell crusading units, because I just pick up rabble and rubbish.

**Carl** · 02-23-2007, 22:41

Crusader Seargents show up in northen HRE/Denmark, So do Crusader Knights. Unhorrsed Knights turn up east of Constantinople, and the Great Cross rears it's head in Italy.

**HoreTore** · 02-23-2007, 23:02

See the descr_mercenaries.txt file in the campaign map. There you have a list of where you can get the different crusader units.

A good crusade route to build an army for england, is starting out around belgium, then heading south through germany to the alps, into italy and getting ships to greece, moving across greece on land, buying ships to get to western turkey, and then just moving towards the target. A quick route giving you a good army as well.

**Tiberius maximus** · 02-27-2007, 15:05

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Lack of CRUSADING units?

Why, they have it all! Heavy spearmen, heavy cavalry and both light and heavy infantry as well as a cross! That's a good and broad selection of troops, not a bad one. You can do fine without having some of your own faction units. Only three types away from perfect - missiles, light cav and horse archers. And you can get all of those units when you're going through the balkans and turkey!

Lack of jihad units on the other hand... Two different types of light infantry...Not very good at all...

ok let me rephrase, there is still a lack of knight order units. dismounted knights? crossbowmen? sergeants? get my drift now

**gardibolt** · 02-27-2007, 21:27

I tried starting a crusader army near Florence, and still got the same rubbish units (well, I did get a Monster Mercenary Ribault too, which was entertaining once it got close enough to actually do something). What do you have to do to get a True Cross?

**Whacker** · 02-27-2007, 21:33

Originally Posted by gardibolt

I tried starting a crusader army near Florence, and still got the same rubbish units (well, I did get a Monster Mercenary Ribault too, which was entertaining once it got close enough to actually do something). What do you have to do to get a True Cross?

IIRC you get that on the Italian penninsula.

**Tiberius maximus** · 02-28-2007, 19:28

Originally Posted by gardibolt

I tried starting a crusader army near Florence, and still got the same rubbish units (well, I did get a Monster Mercenary Ribault too, which was entertaining once it got close enough to actually do something). What do you have to do to get a True Cross?

i dont know i usually take the longest route since the AI really isnt too fast, and the cross shows up around italy some times others i cant find it