Multiplayer M2TW forums

[ElmarkOFear]

I agree Stig. There will always be ego's to contend with, but I believe the majority of players are similar to the NF's and Ugly's. They play for fun.

Replays are invaluable in discussing team tactics. Lines of attack, maneuvering, etc . . You can learn a lot about watching replays and then discussing at what point the game turned into one team's favor. This kind of open discussion will only help those to decide to play MP and/or continue playing MP. It's good PR for the MP community. I would love to train players on the team aspect of MP. 1v1's are fine, but they are just a small taste of the fun you can have playing with others. People get burned out on 1v1's, if that is what they always play. By discussing team games with replays, screenshots, and AAR's it can show how exciting such play is. Most of those that stick around for the long term are 2v2 and up players.

Encouraging players to try team games by peaking their interest with such discussions, can only help the MP community (including the clan community) over the long haul. It has more to do with the community itself than the game. I know several people who stuck it out, even though they weren't thrilled with RTW's MP, just because they didn't want to leave their friends. I also know many more who left, not because of the game, but because the MP community didn't provide a good experience for them, due to its super-secretiveness and over-competitiveness. That was one of the reasons Obake and I formed the Ugly community. Things needed to change and we offered a nice alternative.

[Stig]

Aye, 2v2 and 3v3 are one of the main reasons I "joined" NF (am no proper member), I'm a member of The Forumites, but we're sort of death, most of us play much if we play a game once a week ... and then only for the MP campaign. The NF guys are far more active which means bigger change on a 3v3, which are the best imo ... especially when you decide to go for unorthodox armies and unorthodox maps.

speaking of Obake, what happened to the old Goat herder, haven't seen him in ages at the Pond

[Jochi Khan]

This has now become a very constructive topic. Ideas are forming and a structure seems to be developing.
If this type of forum was to bring back some of the community spirit that I was first introduced to when I started playing STW/WE mp I would give it full support. Anything that would increase the pleasure of mp can only be good for the game and the community.

[Lavos]

Again, just from administrative side and plain usefulness of new lobby. You do not need another lobby just for people sharing tactics and advices, why can't this be done here? Open a thread and see how it goes, then If you see it getting a lot of attention open a new lobby.

[Nem]

Gah! Elmo just said everything I was thinking

I was dying to spend all night typing a similar essay but he beat me to it , so now i'd just like to say

Ditto to Elmo's comments

[Storm_Of_Shields]

I try to play for fun both Ducky and myself do :D problem is when you start winning you ego gets fed and then someone like myself turns into a maniac when i lose a game i should have won lol. Yea............before I was like yay i lost! "thanks to Elmo's training" but since ive won more than lost and began to take it too seriously again

[7Bear7Bottom]

I'm not sure or understand what you are saying Elmo, on the one hand you said this.

That was another reason why STW and MTW were so well thought of. They were very large MP communities and most clans were willing to train new players and show them all the "secrets". It didn't kill any clan's success. There were more excellent clans during those times than ever.

That is what 7Bear7 does, thought you knew that, we have never rejected an application to our clan yet that I know of. All new players are welcomed.

Then, on the other hand you are also saying this.

So do they have to join the 7Bear7 clan as a new recruit to have access to this vast library or is it open to anyone who asks?

If it is just to those who want to join the 7Bear7 clan then my previous statements are still valid.

New players leave because there is no public place to lay out such things so anyone has access to it, not just a few select individuals. This limits the size of the MP community in the manner described in my previous post. What about all the non-clan MP players out there? Should they not have access to such info.?

I can't tell you how many times I have trained new players in a game that were not 7Bear7, not just me, but Kuma, Dej, Polar, Scar, etc.

We play for fun and always host hill maps, meaning we are at the bottom of the hill and the other side is at the top.:)

Many players have been trained as Bears and have moved on to other clans with our doors always open for them.

We don't PW our games and they are open for all to join, unlike other people who just let a select few in.

Part of our clan code of honor is to help the community as stated here.

http://7bear7.com/codeofhonor.html

I will freely offer help to memebers of the community

So to answer your question Elmo, anyone who wants help can get it from us without being a member of Bears.

I'm a little confused, because I thought everyone knew this already about us.

But I am glad now this discusion was started so I could reiterate it again.

[Stig]

One thing about the replays, there's 2 ways of posting them:
1. OMG LOOK I PWNED THIS N00B
and
2. Look I had a nice 2v2 with some nice guys, thought I'd share it with you. Watch the replay it's a very entertaining battle.

I think that the first is what Grendy means, disrespectful ... tho I don't mind if I were the n00b, I'm a n00b anyway

[TosaInu]

Thank you 7Bear7Bottom. It's good to reiterate again, and perhaps also to make it more widely known to the accidental passer by. I sure hope though, that it will be picked up by more teachers. So, this would make a 'Learn to play MP' forum? I can see the risk of bad blood with taunting there (your karate bad, my karate is best). (New) players should feel free to ask any MP question, 'tutors' safe to answer without being mocked.

That said, I understand about secret kungfu and no one will force you (a generic you) to reveil all your tricks. However, a new player is already helped much by learning the basics and beyond basics. Any MP player should be able to tell something.

[Monarch]

Again, just from administrative side and plain usefulness of new lobby. You do not need another lobby just for people sharing tactics and advices, why can't this be done here? Open a thread and see how it goes, then If you see it getting a lot of attention open a new lobby.

TBH I've opened up a couple of forums myself, won't bore you with what they where about but in my experience on a forum many people for soem reason don't like to open up new threads, but they will reply to them, I don't know why but from what I've seen thats just the way it goes. Its a similiar situation here, you just need to give someone some direction/ideas on what to post and they probably will (IE. opening up designated forums.)

Also, going off your philospohy of basically saying theres not point in designated forums, a main root forum can account for all. Then what would be the point of many of the org's (useful imo) forums such as the new m2 AAR sp section.

edit: Oh don't get me wrong I have my doubts about aar/replays section. Loads of people,. unfortunately the majority, very much safeguard their tactics very closely.