Multiplayer M2TW forums

[7Bear7Bottom]

I'm not sure or understand what you are saying Elmo, on the one hand you said this.

That was another reason why STW and MTW were so well thought of. They were very large MP communities and most clans were willing to train new players and show them all the "secrets". It didn't kill any clan's success. There were more excellent clans during those times than ever.

That is what 7Bear7 does, thought you knew that, we have never rejected an application to our clan yet that I know of. All new players are welcomed.

Then, on the other hand you are also saying this.

So do they have to join the 7Bear7 clan as a new recruit to have access to this vast library or is it open to anyone who asks?

If it is just to those who want to join the 7Bear7 clan then my previous statements are still valid.

New players leave because there is no public place to lay out such things so anyone has access to it, not just a few select individuals. This limits the size of the MP community in the manner described in my previous post. What about all the non-clan MP players out there? Should they not have access to such info.?

I can't tell you how many times I have trained new players in a game that were not 7Bear7, not just me, but Kuma, Dej, Polar, Scar, etc.

We play for fun and always host hill maps, meaning we are at the bottom of the hill and the other side is at the top.:)

Many players have been trained as Bears and have moved on to other clans with our doors always open for them.

We don't PW our games and they are open for all to join, unlike other people who just let a select few in.

Part of our clan code of honor is to help the community as stated here.

http://7bear7.com/codeofhonor.html

I will freely offer help to memebers of the community

So to answer your question Elmo, anyone who wants help can get it from us without being a member of Bears.

I'm a little confused, because I thought everyone knew this already about us.

But I am glad now this discusion was started so I could reiterate it again.

[Stig]

One thing about the replays, there's 2 ways of posting them:
1. OMG LOOK I PWNED THIS N00B
and
2. Look I had a nice 2v2 with some nice guys, thought I'd share it with you. Watch the replay it's a very entertaining battle.

I think that the first is what Grendy means, disrespectful ... tho I don't mind if I were the n00b, I'm a n00b anyway

[TosaInu]

Thank you 7Bear7Bottom. It's good to reiterate again, and perhaps also to make it more widely known to the accidental passer by. I sure hope though, that it will be picked up by more teachers. So, this would make a 'Learn to play MP' forum? I can see the risk of bad blood with taunting there (your karate bad, my karate is best). (New) players should feel free to ask any MP question, 'tutors' safe to answer without being mocked.

That said, I understand about secret kungfu and no one will force you (a generic you) to reveil all your tricks. However, a new player is already helped much by learning the basics and beyond basics. Any MP player should be able to tell something.

[RTKBarrett]

Thank you 7Bear7Bottom. It's good to reiterate again, and perhaps also to make it more widely known to the accidental passer by. I sure hope though, that it will be picked up by more teachers. So, this would make a 'Learn to play MP' forum? I can see the risk of bad blood with taunting there (your karate bad, my karate is best). (New) players should feel free to ask any MP question, 'tutors' safe to answer without being mocked.

That said, I understand about secret kungfu and no one will force you (a generic you) to reveil all your tricks. However, a new player is already helped much by learning the basics and beyond basics. Any MP player should be able to tell something.

Id gladly offer help on the basics if someone had questions... so sounds gd to me

[Stig]

Well a forum to post your favorite tactics would be nice yes.
Thread like these would fit very well in them, but as Monarch said replies are made quicker then new threads.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Posting Replays won't be a godo idea (unless you like to show people them, like I do :D)

Why? Well, Depends on what. You give us Communtiy a replay of a normal, Friendly 1v1. Say, Me .vs....... Hm, Tosa!

So Tosa thinks it be ok to post it here. Well it is. I won't mind anyhow :)

But if Mizu/Tosa Was in a Tournment

say

CWC

and they win CWC, and have the replays

would it be a good idea to psot tournment replays here? I admit, I do have tournment replays from previous clans I was in, and I do view them for my own purposes.But For Respect of those clans, I won't pass them on. They for me, and me only and for me to use.


correct??

[Stig]

Why not? In theory the best players win those tournaments (tho most likely they're players out there who are just as good, they just don't join clans and forums and such), so in theory the final should be an epic match ... a match which could learn us all something, why not posting it?

On television you also see Football matches, what you're saying is this:
Let's not show Arsenal-Chelsea, Chelsea lost so that wouldn't be nice to them

[ElmarkOFear]

Bottom: I stated I had been away for awhile and didn't know much about those clans I was familiar with during the STW/MTW days. One statement in your previous post, made it sound like someone had to join your clan now before you guys would train them. I thought that odd, given what I know of you guys, and that was why I asked the question. It is good to see you old guys are still out there helping promote the MP community. Unfortunately, your clan seems to be in the minority currently. PS: Is Kuma playing M2TW? I haven't seen his ugly butt around the lobby yet. If not, tell him to stop being so cheap and join us. Tell him I am getting cocky and he needs to humble me! That will get him to play M2TW online! hehe

I want to encourage others to do what you guys do. Next time any of you see someone interested enough in MP to be asking questions about what units/tactics to use, take a little time and explain it to them. Play a couple of games with them, offering advice on how they can improve their game. Do so with no other purpose than to promote the MP community and I think we will see a marked increase in the number of players who join in our community.

One reason a section of the forum need be made for such discussions is it helps highlight MP and would be one-stop shopping for all things concerning bettering your MP play.

I like the idea of calling it a "Learn To Play" MP forum. This gives the section meaning and a purpose. It also helps focus the discussions on "Learning to play" rather than "Bragging rights". Really, all that is necessary now is to find someone to moderate the new section on a trial basis (let's say 3 months), then after that, everyone could evaluate whether it is serving its purpose or not. If not, and few are posting in it, then it could be merged with the regular forum.

Think of it as a FrogBeast Egg "living document" which is constantly being updated as discussions bring up new information. As a matter of fact, I think FrogBeast Egg would be a good person to mod such a new section, given Frog's expertise in teaching others about the TW series of games.

Wonder if Frog would be up to it?

[7Bear7Bottom]

Of course you would get better training if you joined us, that's a give in.

Training people off the cuff is not easy and is why most don't do it.

I also know about 4 player types and those of you have tried to train new players have seen this.

1. New player doesn't listen to you at all and does his own thing regadless of what you say to them. Maybe doesn't speak English. Maybe....:)

2. New player listens to everything you say about unit selection then when game starts, rushes in and dies. Tells everyone on the team you suck and leaves you in a 4 vrs 3 3 vrs 2 etc. hee hee (is this where the skill comes in? Was this what you were talking about?)

3. New player takes all your advice in everything you tell them, then when game starts, says bye, then disconnects on purpose. Bottom is not sure why this happens, Twilight Zone stuff.

4. New player does everything you ask and follows direction.

So there are some people you can help and other that are unhelpable. Setting up forum might help things, why not test it out and see if it flys.

Bottom would be happy to post replays but he doesn't want any Wolves upset.

Kuma plays still you just need to know his names online, pm me for them hee hee.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Why not? In theory the best players win those tournaments (tho most likely they're players out there who are just as good, they just don't join clans and forums and such), so in theory the final should be an epic match ... a match which could learn us all something, why not posting it?

On television you also see Football matches, what you're saying is this:
Let's not show Arsenal-Chelsea, Chelsea lost so that wouldn't be nice to them

Again,

It's TIme for The King to Tell his Example Stories again



For Example (#8888)


Grey Wolves
RTK
SC
SB
Fearfull Ways
Mizu
Hunters
BHC

are in a 8 clan MTW/VI CWC Tournment.



ok, so I go on.


so SC, and SB and them take out each other, and it comes down to



Mizu
Grey Wolves
BHC
Fearfull Ways

now BHC is facing Fearfull Ways, and Wins Barley. Grey Wolves are Facing Mizu, and lost to Mizu.


So Grey Wolves, Still Angry over their close lost to Mizu, decides to give Me and my (dead) clan BHC, the replays of the game


and BHC goes on to win the CWC tournment

*wakes up from dream*


Ok, So you get my point? In that Case, it won't be fair.


Those Replays should be given t Trusted Members of the clan athat are going to be respsenting the clan in Tournment like CWC or CWB,etc........


Even After The Tournments, it will not be "honorable" so to speak, Because If those clans get similar face-off's again, their "feuds" may be running along, thus replays will be handed out before/during/after, and ruining the whole "make your own tatcis" aspect of Total War.



Bottom, Grey Wolves may Be Dominat, But do not face Magyar Khan when he is eating his Sheep! Or he will Run you over 3 times (like he did with me )




For Training,



Set up a Training section on this fourm with Guides,Pics, and Agreed Replays to show.


and/or,


just have your own Academny so To Speak



Example:


KingWarman88's TW Acedemy

I will help train you in the aspects of flatland,hilly and castle games on MTW and VI, Flatlands and Hilly maps on RTW, and Flatlands on MTW2, in 1v1's, 2v2's and 3v3's.




example




God, I pround of myself when I make a good post


The End





*runs away with Swiss Army back to VI castle!!!!!!!!*

[ElmarkOFear]

Since when did clans stop posting their tournament replays just after the fact? In the past they would post those the next day for all to see. If you are REALLY good, someone seeing a replay of you will not make any difference amongst good players. However, these matches DO make a BIG difference among new players who can learn much about what makes a successful team.

Competition ruins many a good community, especially amongst the clan communities. Non-clan players find themselves unable to find games to join, due to clans being afraid of someone spying on them, and clan members find they are limited to playing with only those they know and trust. Thus, is the beginning of the end once more for the MP community.

If a clan is REALLY good, they will be recognized whether they win tournaments or not. All those clans you mentioned Warman are well respected and acknowledged for their good team play. Is it really that important to keep replays from the rest of the community, due to some paranoia about the opposing teams learning something so fantastic that it will make a difference in the next game? The ability to adapt is one of the things that make a good team great, not some sort of tactic or unit selection which can be easily copied/countered. So passing on replays as they happen, would not make any difference to those teams competing in that tournament.

However, the best way to handle this is to make sure that you ask before posting such screens and replays. The mod of that section of the forum should also remove such replays if anyone in the game or clan asks them to. Would that make it more palatable for those fearing to have certain replays posted?

[TosaInu]

I understand the point {BHC}KingWarman888.

It can be said that it will force the winner to play even better in the next round: quality of games spiral upwards.

It's a weird though perhaps, but at this moment, nothing prevents showing recorded battles from tourneyplayers. You can record them without the other person knowing it and you can distribute it without him/her knowing. So, it's false to rely on privacy here.

It's frustrating though, when a whole coalition starts to analyse your style(s) and devises countertactics while being in a running tourney. The person no longer fights one person, but a huge team.

So, it won't be a good idea to post replays of running tourneys, unless all involved agree with it.

[-Silent-Pariya]

Right now, the tourney and clan messages (no not the 'bloodbad' ones, but that's not the only aspect of clans is it?) are 'swamped' in the other MP related topics here.

I think the BadBlood ones are here as well

Yes there are a "Silent" few who use fake tags to be "Silent" about themselves. Some use this "Silent" tag method because they are so obnoxious in their regular tag they have been "Silenced" by the majority of people and put on ignore/banned.

Which coins a phrase, "Silence" is golden?

Looks like you want a warzone to me bottum?

And yes, thats the only response your going to get out of me.

[Demok]

I think a warzone would be a good idea, because it might stimulate more activity on these forums.... they've been rather dead as of late.

Look! Even Bottom wants a warzone! I'd say do it.

I just wanted to add, 7bear recruited Furi, showed him the basics of the game, but SA taught him how to Own. Most of how good furi is, was in fact self taught by himself. SA just did some good in him with team games, etc.

Think before you say things bottom, you might not look as silly ;)

[ElmarkOFear]

You all are wrong: Furious learned to play so well, by constantly chasing after my men in all those 4v4s we played against each other.

It is pretty simple: If certain clan members do not play nice on the new forums, then they would not be welcome and if necessary, the mods/admins know what they would need to do. You can't let a few people ruin everything for the rest. We never let that happen in the past, and I am sure you guys won't let it happen now.

[Orda Khan]

Because ure constantly saying how rubbish it has all been since the start of mtw, alot of ure posts concerning multiplayer are very negative and i would be extremely surprised if u had played m2tw online

In a thread about sub-forums I posted my concerns. Knowing that things can become very ugly, I do not think a 'warzone' type of sub-forum is a good idea. I am very sorry that my feelings do not mirror yours but now it seems you are calling me a liar in a round about way. I suppose you consider that constructive?

Orda: I understand your worries about the new forums. Sorry I misunderstood your previous statements on the MP community. I realized we do not want a repeat of what happened here during the STW/MTW days and the reasons for the MP split to the .net. That was why I thought it would be a good idea to set it up on a trial basis and also designate someone known and respected by all in the MP community. Cheetah, Tomisama, Ichi?

Thanks Elmo,
You at least, have noticed I was talking about sub forums. I wish a few others would. Nobody would want a repeat of all that which is why I posted my concerns. Unfortunately one of your choices wants action taken against those who do not agree with him.

a certain couple of Orgers are constantly trying to persuade us milk is bad and cola is better, refusing to agree to disagree. I think its ironic that even a thread about moving mp here at the org forward they manage to spark yet another of these older players vs newer players.

Anyway, if I may bring this thread back kicking and screaming on topic...

Unlike yours, my thread was on topic. It contained no 'us and them' maybe you should read before you jump in with both feet?

The case is that we have two members who has nothing to contribute to the community other then highly negative and insulting comments.

Concerns that we will have a repeat of the crap that went on? That is negative? Insulting? Perhaps you should show me the insult.

Even the most innocent thread like this degerated into a debate because of them.

Incorrect. It degenerated because certain people, like yourself, failed to understand the content of my post.

The point is that as long as these members do not change their behavior each and every tactical thread will end up this way. This hurts the community (which does exist contrary to the claims made by these members), hurts those who would be willing to engage in a meaningful discussion, and in general creates a hostile, counterproductive environment.

You mean you want covert censorship? How about we start with off topic posts such as yours?

BTW Cheetah, get your facts straight before putting them to print?

There is a reason why there are only 15 or so MP people who post here atm, and it is because there is nothing for us here.

There has always been a MP section for each game. The reason why there are so few is because of the very things being proposed and the ugly scene that became known as 'Teragate' and 'Tosagate'. I don't want a repeat and I posted my concerns. Am I wrong to do that?

The .ORG is a great place for the community to come together, but if you prefer in a nostalgic idea of the past and fear the present, then we will operate elsewhere.

And Orda, there are people who play and enjoy this game, so why do you even post in the M2TW section? Just to continue to spread your discontent.

I'm bored with this now but just to re-cap.....

I posted in a topic entitled 'Re: Multiplayer M2TW forums'.
I mentioned my concerns because of what has happened already

.......Orda