Im going to have a go at buying STW after this. I came to RTW after playing an awful lot of rise of nations, i love RTS and micro management, but dislike turn based games like CIV that have no RTS element. Indeed RTW is turn based to an RTS gameplayer like me.

Overall I think RTW fails in its attempt to incorporate RTS elements to it, but i do like its complexity and the myriad elements, its just a shame they dont friigin function properly and have limited strategic scope! However I think I will get bored with STW if its just fight fight fight with no or limited economic considerations. We will see though.

i do agree though, RTW tried to be all things to all people and managed to dissappoint seemingly everyone!

certainly I wouldnt be shelling out big cash on buying any new TW game, but im going to dig out an old copy of stw because of teh well written and well argued comments in this thread.

kudos to all.