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    I played through an unpleasantly short Portuegese [sic] campaign today. Normally as the Portugese or other small factions you rush before neighbouring powers can out-produce you too easy. I decided not to for once. Although, I made a second mistake in still attacking too soon. When turtling with 1 province you need a few decades to build up before you do anything, and besides I attacked at a very stupid time. My influence was low, and neither Catille-Léon nor Aragon were at war with the Almohads whom I decided to attack in Algarve. The Elmos quickly countered with a small invasion of Portucal which was easily fended off, while I suffered a defeat towards a relieving force from Cordoba in Algarve (the Elmo units are way overpowered in Early).
    Now the Elmos decided to mop me up and invaded Portucale again. A bit demoralized, realising I was finished I auto-calced, lost and was besieged. Just trying to enlengthen (is that a real word?) the siege I sallied, but seemingly forgot to move one unit of MSs out of the castle, as my sally was suddenly interrupted as the Elmo army stormed my castle garrison now only counting 17 men. Of course they won.

    Anyway, most of that is beside the point, so you could've just jumped forward to this if I'd told you to: My army dissapeared. As did my king. My sallying troops just dissapeared, but I remained on the map, without kingdom or king. All my emissaries, bishops and princesses were still on the map, and I concluded a ceasefire with the Elmos and married a princess to the king of Castille-Léon! What can cause this or has it even happened to anybody else?
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    I think that's a new one, Innocentius. You were playing XL?
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    I never heard anything like it.

    The stack you have left led by your King is sitting on a provence (I'm assuming Portugal). If you end the turn do you go to a battle screen like you would if you were attacking a Provence? If it doesn't, try moving the stack to a different bordering provence, like Algarve.

    I'm guessing as long as your still on the map, you're still in play and will be considered an attacking army the next turn. Or if you're actually MIA (or in Limbo) then moving your stack will cause the comp to "see" you again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei Warrior
    I never heard anything like it.
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    I remember fighting a battle as the Almohads years ago and losing to the Spanish, many of my men were ransomed back, but when I examined them they weren't my men at all. They were the French, that had obviously been fighting another battle and still had their own religion and colours.

    This occurs because of a corrupted save. 99% of the time save corruption will result in an all out crash to desktop, but occasionally you get these strange anomalies.

    One of the most annoying bugs is when your ransomed troops get stuck in the stack and can't be pulled out. The only solution I've found to this is to drop them into a castle and then pull them out again. This resets it. This appears to be caused by the function that locks rebelling and ransomed stacks down, and prevents them from being separated, not correctly unlocking the individual units the following year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caravel
    One of the most annoying bugs is when your ransomed troops get stuck in the stack and can't be pulled out.
    Yup.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caravel
    The only solution I've found to this is to drop them into a castle and then pull them out again. This resets it.
    Nice, I never knew that. My solution always was to save and reload the game. That works, too. And it gives you just enough time to put fresh bucket of coffee on the stove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caravel
    I remember fighting a battle as the Almohads years ago and losing to the Spanish, many of my men were ransomed back, but when I examined them they weren't my men at all. They were the French, that had obviously been fighting another battle and still had their own religion and colours.
    I can just see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Innocentius
    Anyway, most of that is beside the point, so you could've just jumped forward to this if I'd told you to: My army dissapeared. As did my king. My sallying troops just dissapeared, but I remained on the map, without kingdom or king. All my emissaries, bishops and princesses were still on the map, and I concluded a ceasefire with the Elmos and married a princess to the king of Castille-Léon! What can cause this or has it even happened to anybody else?
    My guess is they were going to assualt the castle anyway, whether you sallied forth or not. I am curious if the message played that your king was killed and he has no heirs, etc etc.... ?

    If not then you might have a reverse seige going. They took control of the province and the castle and now your army is seiging it.

    The fact you cant see your army is troubling, but It must exsist, have you clicked on the army info icon? does it list your army?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin
    My guess is they were going to assualt the castle anyway, whether you sallied forth or not. I am curious if the message played that your king was killed and he has no heirs, etc etc.... ?

    If not then you might have a reverse seige going. They took control of the province and the castle and now your army is seiging it.

    The fact you cant see your army is troubling, but It must exsist, have you clicked on the army info icon? does it list your army?
    No, I recieved no message spelling "Succession!" or "Disaster!"... And I don't think it was a reversed siege as the Elmos started producing troops immediately, and at first I lost sight of Portucale (I had some form of emissary/spy in all Iberain provinces except Portucale since well...it was mine and I had WT). When I moved a bishop from Algarve back into Portucale I noticed that there were fresh units of UMs in the castle that hadn't been inte the invading army since they had armour +1.
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