Vassals

[Orda Khan]

Has anyone seen vassals in their campaign? I've not witnessed any faction become a vassal, not been able to impose this and have not had this demand from anyone. Just wondering

......Orda

[R'as al Ghul]

Yes, I've seen France being the vassal of Spain.
I've tried twice to impose it, to no avail and haven't had the demand from anyone.
I guess it can easily be overlooked? I don't check the diplomatic screen every turn and I don't think you get a message like "faction x became the vassal of faction y"? I wonder what the conditions are?

[Tran]

Early in my English campaign, France (after betraying the alliance with me and tried to besiege me) sent their princess and wanted me to became their vassal, twice, (if I remembered correctly)...my respond is of course...wipe them off the map Other than that I haven't seen any nation becoming vassal of others

[Husar]

I've seen it quite a few times and have been asked to become a vassal a lot and there is a diplomatic message.

[FactionHeir]

I posted some stuff in lengths about this before but too lazy to go find it now.

Lets just say that in order to make someone a successful vassal,you already have to be at war with them (to get the option)
In the diplomacy screen, they will only ever become your vassal if when you make the offer it is counted as balanced or demanding to begin with.
Also, there is an oddity with it where loading the game may bump it from balanced to very demanding (they will never agree unless you give them all your settlements)

[Lorenzo_H]

The Mongols keep asking me to become their vassal. Every time I just scream "NO" and then the diplomat annoys me by saying "don't worry, we can talk about this later" in his annoying Mongol accent!

[Lord_hazard]

Someone almost always demans be to become their vassal at the start of the campaignm, but the only time ive ever seen someone become a vassal is when denmark became a vassal to germany.

[dopp]

It does happen quite a bit in my games. Turks usually submit to Byzantium (or the other way round). France usually gives in to Milan and then Milan bows to England in late game. I think Poland and Hungary became vassals in my last game after Timurids swarmed over their empires.

To beat a faction into surrender, you need to border all their territories, outnumber them 4 times in total military strength and 3 times in local strength. The first condition can be horribly hard to achieve, especially if they have a crusade territory somewhere far away.

[Divine Wind]

Ive seen it a lot. Portugal and Spain, France and the HRE, Egpyt and Turkey, and a few more I cant remember. To enforce it myself you have to threaten enemy cities/castles with a large force inside the province.

[RabidGibbon]

In a Danish Campaign I was a vassal of the Holy Roman Empire, France, Hungary, The Holy Romn Empire again, The Mongols and then Hungary again.

Its quite an easy way to make money (Danish freedom generally costs around 10,000 florins). Never had anyone be my Vassal though.

[crpcarrot]

in my first english campaign france demanded i become their vassal and i agred for a huge tribute for 10 years. theya greed. :D gave me time to build up enough strnght to beat them.

i've seen it a few times among the AI but doesnt seem to mean much since the protector doesnt seem to do any protecting.

[zstajerski]

I myself had a few vassals, but the funiest thin g i ever witnesed was,
The HRE has in one campain i played accepted SIMOULTAINEOSLY to be the vassal of i think denmark and venice

Although i think denmark and venice were alies then..

[Kraggenmor]

I get demands of vassalship frequently. I've seen an actual client kingdom relationship announced once. It may have happened more often and I just wasn't paying attention, I tend to whip through or completely ignore most of the diplomatic info messages from ending turns, since diplomacy really doesn't matter in this game. (IMO)

I've tried dozens of times to make a faction my vassal but have never succeeded. Even with them on the brink of elimination with the army in place ready to lay seige.

I know, I know, Offer them provinces, offer them money...

Done it. Never works. For me anyway.

[FactionHeir]

If you need to offer them provinces or a lot of money, then they will not accept to begin with unless you give them your empire.

If they are willing to accept, giving them map info + 4000-8000 flroins should be enough.

[LordKhaine]

I've seen AI factions turn other AI factions into vassals a lot. Been demanded I become a vassal once, though I've never got a vassal myself.