The Irish anyone?

[The Celt]

Well lets see. We've already got Kerns and Gallogliach. We just need to reskin them for the Irish faction. But we've also got stock European units like sargents, Knights, spearmen, archers,(probably not until very high level barracks) ect. Would those guys qualify for Ireland or did they not use them? Also, should Ireland be made form an existing faction or made form one of the empty slots?

[Rollon]

Well lets see. We've already got Kerns and Gallogliach. We just need to reskin them for the Irish faction. But we've also got stock European units like sargents, Knights, spearmen, archers,(probably not until very high level barracks) ect.

well, actually we have this roster for Archery Range:

Irish Kerns (need to be boosted somewhat, I think)
Welsh Longbowmen (they were actually hired as mercenaries)
Free Company Longbowmen (well, I guess it's possible to use them as well)

next, for barracks:
some unit like Highland Rabble
Welsh Spearmen
some kind of Viking Raiders (don't remember the Danish roster, but we definitely can borrow 1 unit from them and call it something like Dublin Vikings or Shetland Raiders, or whatever)
Galloglaich (with axes and/or claymores and in chainmail)
maybe some Hiberno-Norman Knights (dismounted and mounted), but I'm afraid it'll be mostly a fantasy unit.

in fact it's possible to borrow heavily from Scotland, as Scots fought in Ireland pretty often. that gives us Pikemen and later even Musketeers.
in later history of Ireland there were also buanadha (native Irish mercenaries) and redshanks (Scottish), but I know nothing about them.

using existing units is handy, because there's no need for new skins, just add some green, and voila.
also I think the bulk of Irish force should be quite lightly armoured and armed, but have a ferocious charge.

well, just my 2 pence:) I'm not Irish, mind you, and know nothing about Irish history, so that's mainly up to you, Irishmen:)

[Nanor]

A famous battle was The Battle of the Yellow Ford in which Aodh Ó Neill (Hugh) fought against the English whom were trying to rescue a fort by the river Blackwater. Info.

Some important information:

O'Neill had the forces raised from the clans of O'Neill, ODonnell and their dependent clans. He also had a substantial number of mercenaries in his pay, many of them from the Highlands of Scotland. The Irish carried their traditional arms of swords, axes and javelins but also pikes and muskets, especially calivers, which were a lighter and more portable version of the standard musket. O'Neill had several English and Spanish military advisors in his pay, who trained his troops in the use of modern weaponry. Many Irish horsemen carried their spears over-arm, either thrusting or throwing them at close quarters in the traditional manner.

This tells me that the Irish at this time where a force to be contended with. If you read the Wiki entry listed above, you'll see that the Irish inflicted 1500-2000 deaths, whilst the English only inflicted 200. This also gives more information on what weapons the Irish used. However this is set in the late 16th Century and Early 17th Century. But, it does give information on the Irish.

[Rollon]

Yes, I actually skipped through the Wikipedia, that's where all my information comes from:)
Now, I examined Scottish, Danish and Sicilian rosters, so:
- for Castle Barrack we can safely toss in Highland Nobles — they look exactly like Galloglaigh, but are armed with claymores. This way we can have axe- (AP) and sword-armed Galloglaigh in chainmail (their defence needs an increase) for 4th and 5th levels of barracks.
- as Vikings lived mainly in towns (AFAIK), I suupose it would be logical to put them in City Barracks roster, Viking Raiders (renamed) for 4th level and Norse Swordsmen (if I remember their name correctly) for 4th and 5th levels respectively, standard Town-Spear-Archer militia for the first three levels.
- that leaves us with Stables. I'm not sure about the use of cavalry in medieval Ireland, but it seems safe to assume there were something like Scottish Border Horses, then some javelin-throwing unit, Lancers and some kind of not-so-heavy Nobles.
That's it for Early and High eras, I suppose.
Comments?

[Nanor]

Alright, so any progress?

[Rhyfelwyr]

This is not particularly historical, but seeing how it is a mini-mod, it would be best to keep realism along the same level as the rest of the factions have. Some ideas for a list that will need minimal modding:

Lv.1 Barracks: Gaelic Rabble (reskinned Highland Rabble)
Lv.2 Barracks: Gaelic Warband (reskinned Highlanders), Gaelo-Norse Axemen (reskined Viking Raiders)
Lv.3 Barracks: Gaelic Nobles (reskinned Galloglaich), Dismounted Norman Knights (reskinned Sicilian version)

Lv.1 Archery: Kerns (reskinned merc version)
Lv.2 Archery: Gaelic Archers (reskinned Highland Archers)
Lv.3 Archery: Gaelic Noble Archers (reskinned Highland Noble Archers)

Lv.1 Stables: Hobilars (reskinned English version)
Lv.2 Stables: Mailed Knights (reskinned Scots version)
Lv.3 Stables: Norman Knights (reskinned Sicilian version)

Lv.1 Militia: Town Militia (reskinned Scots version)
Lv.2 Militia: Town Militia (bigger max pool, following other factions pattern)
Lv.3 Militia: Spear Miliita (reskinned Scots version)

[Lord Condormanius]

- as Vikings lived mainly in towns (AFAIK) -

Maybe because that is what Ireland had. The Vikings built forts, then the Normans came and built castles over those forts, Waterford is a good example.

[IrishArmenian]

Cause, well, they have javelins!
Really though, Dubh Linn is farther north on your map, Sir Robin. I suggest using the Gaelic names as opposed to the Anglicised ones.

[TosaInu]

[KARTLOS]

seeing as soon after the date the game starts normans came over i would think the irish should get a few norman style units

[Lord Condormanius]

seeing as soon after the date the game starts normans came over i would think the irish should get a few norman style units

The game starts in 1080. Normans, who were English for all intents and purposes, did not arrive until @1168 or so...and not on the side of the Irish. Maybe some Anglo-Norman Mercs, but beyond that, I don't think so.