Reputation

[JCoyote]

That depends on a couple things. WHAT did you do with cities? Did you have a lot of assassins die on the job? And did you eliminate the other factions with military might? Eliminating another faction militarily can drop you down a whole level all by itself.

[PseRamesses]

Can I ever get back to Very Reliable?

In time. Stick to the tips on this thread though. Good luck!

[Razor1952]

I presume reputation like relations is one of those things that degrade over time if you are playing vh campaign?

If so is it possible to mod the reputation bit so it doesn't degrade?. I can live with relations going down because I can bribe to raise them but raising reputation seems a bit tricky.

BTW has anyone been able to seriously raise their reputation? Most of the previous comments relate to not doing things that will decrease it. Except getting more chivalrous leader I can't see any other way.

[PseRamesses]

BTW has anyone been able to seriously raise their reputation? Most of the previous comments relate to not doing things that will decrease it. Except getting more chivalrous leader I can't see any other way.

Read, and follow, the initial summary post (by me) and you should be just fine. With any catholic faction its not a prob to get a reliable rep. Haven´t yet been able to make it as well with the muslim factions yet though.
The most common mistakes players do is sacking or exterminating settlements in order to manage them easier. This is a huge mistake and will, in the long run, seriously hurt your rep. Just occupy will actually raise your rep so that´s the only way to go. On occasion you can exterminate though without getting hirt that much. My rule is one x-termination/ king. As a cath never do it against other cath even if they´re x-commed.

[Tran]

So you can never really conquer any faction (wipe them off the map) if you want to increase reputation, right? Correct me if I'm wrong

[PseRamesses]

So you can never really conquer any faction (wipe them off the map) if you want to increase reputation, right? Correct me if I'm wrong

Occupying conquered settlements will increase your rep. Sacking or exterminating them will decrease it. So just conquer away. Oh, almost forgot: don´t be the agressor against other factions. Since everyone will eventually attack everyone its just a matter of time before you get the "right" faction to attack you. I guess that´s the price one have to pay to be deemed a god boy.
Destroying a faction utterly will always hurt your rep. In my last HRE game I took out Milan, Venice and Sicily in crusade and my rep was still reliable so maybe the penalty for wiping off an x-commed faction is decreased?!

[Musashi]

Just beat them down to their last territory and pay one of your allies to wipe them out. Problem solved.

[JCoyote]

Or beat them down to their last territory and assassinate them all... without getting caught.

Or beat them down to their last territory and siege them. They'll lose troops over time, and have public order problems. Throw some spies in there. Have assassins knock out public order buildings. When it gets bad enough, stop sieging and watch the faction get booted out of its last city... no more enemy, no rep hit.

[Ciaran]

I´m wondering, currently I´m doing an English short campaign (the goals of which, as you know, are to wipe out Scotland and France); however, early in the game it was... advisable to ally with the both of them, but now, about 50 turns from the end, I wonder how to go to war with them without being the obvious agressor. I´ve already managed to get Scotland to cancel the alliance with me, by making "very demanding" proposals for a couple of turns. My relations with Scotland are "abmysal", but they just won´t do the last step and attack.
France is (after a short war started by the French) again at peace with me, due to my marriage-alliance with Denmark, who are Scotlands enemies, but also allied to France. Now I need to get the French to attack me again.

I´ve noticed that unlike MTW or RTW, bribing a unit from another faction doesn´t start a war anymore, so I had to ditch that idea as well.

Since we´ve got a thousand-and-one guides how to play the diplomacy game to get peace, how about one on how to use it to go to war, without the trappings of reputation loss (or at least minimizing them)?

[Tran]

Whoa...you replied to an old topic that's going to be buried...but nevermind!

Ciaran, I can say that your situation is rather "unique" or odd, most of the players here are complaining about how the neighboring factions constantly attack and annoy them, but you seem to have the opposite situation. It's probably due to your marriage-alliance though.

By the way, I have read and posted this topic months ago, but me too still confuse about this reputation system...someone might need to look at those evil coding words and any programing sentences behind these...FactionHeir, where are you!

[Shahed]

Guides to diplomacy and peace ? Where are those ? I sure could use them.

[Ciaran]

Whoa...you replied to an old topic that's going to be buried...but nevermind!

Ciaran, I can say that your situation is rather "unique" or odd, most of the players here are complaining about how the neighboring factions constantly attack and annoy them, but you seem to have the opposite situation. It's probably due to your marriage-alliance though.

Oh, I can´t say that I´m lacking wars, I´ve got quite a couple of them going on, just not with the factions I need to be at war with. Or rather, which I´m supposed to destroy.

[Durallan]

You are not allowed in this game at all to attack anyone with whom you ahve a marriage alliance with. I got a Portugese Princess to marry my faction heir, and I gave them some territories cause they was small. 3 Turns later they declared war on me. Next turn they were excommunicated. Their reputation became decietful, I declared a crusade on Toledo and then I foolishly attacked toledo sieged toledo, and my reuptation went from reliable to despicable.

Because I had a marriage alliance, and even though PORTUGAL started the war, if I attack them once while this alliance still stands, my reptuation goes back to rock bottom. It is freaking rediculous and I'm beginning to wish I'd never married the portugese princess, 2 turns later an 8 charm scottish princess came along, compared to this 3 star portugese princess, who is nothing but trouble for me my general even got the wife is unpleasant trait, which at first made me surprised, but considering the portugese have backstabbed me 5 times I now realise it makes sense lol, the portugese are nasty in this campaign, I think they want Zaragoza but they've not gone near it since I ahve 4 full army stacks there.

[_Tristan_]

can anyone list the different levels of rep for my information ?

What's the top ? Very reliable ? What's the worst ? Despicable ?

How many are there in between ?

[Slaists]

High reputation does SO many good things for you in this game, it's worth doing the work to maintain it :)

I guess, a stupid question. What are those "good things" (besides being happy with oneself) that having good reputation gives a faction?

[Slaists]

High reputation does SO many good things for you in this game, it's worth doing the work to maintain it :)

I guess, a stupid question. What are those "good things" (besides being happy with oneself) that having good reputation gives a faction?

[Bob the Insane]

I don't think it is in the list but I am pretty sure that the unsuccessful (when they get caught) use of spies and assassins lowers your reputation...

I guess, a stupid question. What are those "good things" (besides being happy with oneself) that having good reputation gives a faction?

I think it makes diplomatic agreements easier to come by...

[Colossus]

Whole topic is a waste of time, the AI will come knocking at your door even if you are allied, no point in being honourable, just butcher them.

[PseRamesses]

can anyone list the different levels of rep for my information?

Despicable
Very untrustworthy
Untrustworthy
Mixed
Amiable
Good
Trustworthy
Very Trustworty
Reliable
Very Reliable
Immaculate
(Did I miss any?)

What are those "good things" (besides being happy with oneself) that having good reputation gives a faction?

Alliances hold better. Easier to get what u want through diplomatic negotiations. Other facs are willing to pay more for everything that u sell etc etc.

Whole topic is a waste of time, the AI will come knocking at your door even if you are allied, no point in being honourable, just butcher them.

If so, why do u waste your time reading it?


@Bob the Insane,
I never use spies or assassins so I wouldn´t know. It seems logical though that your rep lowers if you fail infiltrations or assassinations. Can anyone else confirm this????

[Vladimir]

Interesting idea: On campaign difficulties, why not have the AI agressiveness be based on your reputation? Now it seems like the only basis used by the AI on VH is your existance.

[Bob the Insane]

Interesting idea: On campaign difficulties, why not have the AI agressiveness be based on your reputation? Now it seems like the only basis used by the AI on VH is your existance.

Honest question, but what else do you expect at VH?

I really mean it, what should be the difference in the camapign AI between Medium and VH when it comes to the effect of reputation?

[Vladimir]

Well instead of the "Let's get Bob" mentality there should be a chance for you have a fairly peaceful campaign if everyone loves you. I will add some nice depth to the game and allow for a purely diplomatic playing style. Since I haven't done any research on this it may actually be what happens now just with major reputation hits.

[PseRamesses]

Interesting idea: On campaign difficulties, why not have the AI agressiveness be based on your reputation? Now it seems like the only basis used by the AI on VH is your existance.

Anno Domini already has that feat. The higher your rep, ore prestige in the upcoming update, the more peaceful game. I seriously recomend it. It´s a real challenge with scripted events, really tough economy and a good reworked map.

[Slaists]

Despicable
Very untrustworthy
Untrustworthy
Mixed
Amiable
Good
Trustworthy
Very Trustworty
Reliable
Very Reliable
Immaculate
(Did I miss any?)

The above is actually a mix of "Reputation" and "Relations" grades. Amiable comes from the "Relations" category. Not sure where despicable comes from.

My shot for the top end "Reputation" grades:

...
Mixed
Reliable
Very Reliable
Trustworthy

Sorry, cannot recall the "low end" right now.

On another note, Mushashi here suggests forming alliances with every faction at the beginning of the game. This backfires in midgame since for every alliance you break due to choosing sides (when one of your AI allies attacks another) there is a hit to your reputation. The hit appears to come regardless of whether one chooses to remain allies with the attacker or the defender...

[Vladimir]

Anno Domini already has that feat. The higher your rep, ore prestige in the upcoming update, the more peaceful game. I seriously recomend it. It´s a real challenge with scripted events, really tough economy and a good reworked map.

Sounds excellent.

[wzup]

I never really cared for "reputation" as this is total war :D

[Tran]

Despicable
Very untrustworthy
Untrustworthy
Mixed
Amiable
Good
Trustworthy
Very Trustworty
Reliable
Very Reliable
Immaculate
(Did I miss any?)

Deceitful, I think it's between despicable and very untrustworthy. Not sure if there's other since my faction reputation never went above mixed level...

[PseRamesses]

On another note, Mushashi here suggests forming alliances with every faction at the beginning of the game. This backfires in midgame since for every alliance you break due to choosing sides (when one of your AI allies attacks another) there is a hit to your reputation. The hit appears to come regardless of whether one chooses to remain allies with the attacker or the defender...

Changing sides? I´ve never encountered that in M2. As a cath I´m allied with all other cath´s and they are at war to the left and right but I´ve never been forced to end an alliance with either of them. Occasionally the pope ask you to terminate an alliance with some x-commed faction but that is another matter.

[SadCat]

Leaked 1.2 has the fix that you can not stay linked to both. You must chose one. SadCat

[PseRamesses]

Leaked 1.2 has the fix that you can not stay linked to both. You must chose one. SadCat

Been playing AD for a while. I was quite happy that vanilla came with the feat that I could remain allied to two warring parties. With an unlogical AI hellbent on war this change will drag your reputation to the bottom.