Quote Originally Posted by Tom_Hagen
No. I'm expecting them to not act like beasts of the field and demonstrate some compassion and empathy for somebody that is helpless. If they don't know that the woman wants to have sex with them, and would when sober, then they shouldn't be having sex with them.
I think that's where we differ in opinion about what happened. I think the guys assumed she wanted it. Especially the guy convicted. He was a popular guy according to the source, why would he try to sleep with someone who didn't want it ? he could have gotten others. I think he honestly assumed she wanted it. Like i said before, until we see the actual video it's hard to judge her condition.
I tend to get anything but passive when I'm drunk, I don't think anyone would assume I was helpless , yet I could have a blackout just the same.



As have I. And if we were already in a relationship, I thanked my lucky stars. However, I would state that the critical 'first' encounter, where desire and consent may already be on somewhat shaky grounds, clouding the issue with large quantities of alchohol is a BAD idea. How about waiting until the woman sobers up, then see if she really wanted you?
Hmm, depends on the situation really. I know some guys who've had a more than a few one night stands and usually there's no damage done, even if they were usually the result of both parties being drunk as hell.

Hey often alcohol solves things, you don't overthink things anymore and you just follow your heart/desires. That's how I finally hooked up with my girlfriend