is it ture that RTR will be more scopte in than EB 1.0?

[king hannibal]

on a topic somewere it said that RTR is going to be the most inscope RTW mod is this ture?

also why are there RTR V EB topics Closed

[Orb]

on a topic somewere it said that RTR is going to be the most inscope RTW mod is this ture?

also why are there RTR V EB topics Closed

1. Depends on what you mean by 'scope', if I'm correct, which I may not be, RTR will probably cover a wider area, but EB will continue to have more detail and immersion.

2. Because they tend to degenerate into flame wars after the actual topics or questions themselves have been answered.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

They have been closed because obviously a lot of people here and on our other forum at TWC like EB (a lot) and it's hard to keep things civil sometimes - though I'll give credit to many people here that they have certainly tried. Give it a rest for a bit, and after a couple of weeks if they pop back up they won't be closed up quickly, but right now we've just had too much of that going on in our forum, and to let it continue just alienates people - it doesn't really do much good honestly.

I also really don't understand what you mean by "scope". I'll let this stay open till your question is answered (if it is possible to answer it - it may not be), but can you clarify what you mean?

[king hannibal]

more historical on events that happened e.g storms plauges don't think it to good to go though but the general scope on history

[Teleklos Archelaou]

That's really quite vague. Plus, nobody here really has any idea. Well, we do have a couple of members who are RTR members too (only one who is active), but they wouldn't dare say anything about what is in development for 7.0, either on our internal forum or out here.

In the end, you'll just have to try it when it comes out if you want to know. Keep closely tuned to their public announcements section on their forum, and you'll know more than we do really.

I will say that I don't think any mod (not just talking about RTR or any historical mod even - I'm talking about *any* RTW mod) will ever add more stuff than EB already has. More stuff doesn't always equal better of course, but I would be very shocked if any mod for RTW would add more units, descriptions, names, 2D supplemental work (like gui's, building graphics, load screens, victory condition maps, different icons for different cultures, altered message graphics for different culture groups, etc.). I just don't think it is physically possible for any mod team to outdo us there.

[JeffSteel]

Hmmmmmmm, sounds like a challenge is being sent out to all the modders of the land. Just remember, "pride goeth before the fall."

......... of course, your probably right.

[blacksnail]

I predict this thread will be locked before post 30.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I predict this thread will be locked before post 30.

Nah, post 8 will probably get this thread marked a spam and will get it closed.

Wait - this is post eight....

Anyhow, my dear thread starter, how much scope something has really is a matter of ones opinion.

[skuzzy]

Play both when they're available and make an assessment based on your experience.

[Avicenna]

If you mean scripted, yes, it will have more events scripted in, but those will not be dependent on the alternate history actually leading to the event:

eg, Rome enters Dacia and legions pop up, even though Rome does not need to reform to a legion system which evolved only when they suffered major defeats.

[O'ETAIPOS]

Hmmmmmmm, sounds like a challenge is being sent out to all the modders of the land. Just remember, "pride goeth before the fall."

......... of course, your probably right.

Not exactly pride. The hardcoded limits are rather difficult to beat for any mod team. For example on units we are close 500 unit/250 models limit, and it will be hard to have more if we in fact reach it

[Kralizec]

more historical on events that happened e.g storms plauges don't think it to good to go though but the general scope on history

It was a long time ago since I last visited the RTR board, but I remembered that one of the developpers said that Gaius Marius would appear by scripts with a legion, triggering the Marian reform. I think we can expect more such historical figues to script-spawn as well, like Hannibal and possibly Antiochus III and other Diadochi generals. Baktria's emergence as an independent kingdom is also going to be scripted.

I'm anxious to see the end result, while I expect it to be good, it makes the game about reliving history rather then remaking it as in EB.

[Kugutsu]

more historical on events that happened e.g storms plauges don't think it to good to go though but the general scope on history

Even storms and stuff arent guaranteed to happen as/when they did historically. Weather is so complex that over a 200 year period its totally not predictable (so any historic storms are likely not to happen as they did in the alternate EB history you create). Plagues are even more unpredictable, as they depend largely on people. Even things like volcanoes and earthquakes might not have happened exactly the same in a parallel timeline, though obviously they are less random than the weather, as those sorts of mechanical stresses build up over very long periods of time.

In my opinion the random occurence of such natural events is the way to go, as that is pretty much how they would occur. Though plagues should have some triggers (like sieges, vastly overcrowded cities or the arrival of characters from far away (probably hard to script, but that would be cool).

Edit: I would hate to see characters being scripted to appear at the 'right' time. That sort of defeats for me the whole idea of creating history.

[Eduorius]

I think that by scope he means that the RTR beguins in 280 b.c. and I think the new map is a bit bigger (not sure), but really like TA said EB is too deep. No other mod can challenge that and the guys in EB know their stuff inside out.


Just to ask something about Historical mods.

Is there a historical mod that is thinking of having lorica segmentata and squamata legionaires and troop types of the Trajan campaing?

Is because I have always liked that period, but have never seen a mod about that timeframe.


Thanks for your time.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well squamata co-esisted with mail throughout the period. We toyed with having squamata legionaries but dropped it in favour of First Cohorts. It also causes a-historical re-training problems.

As to LS, well I haven't heard of one set in the post-Augustan era.

NOTE TO ALL THOSE THAT MIGHT WANT LORICA SEGMENTATA IN EB. THE ANSWER IS "NO" THAT IS MY FINAL WORD ON THE SUBJECT.

[king hannibal]

thanks for all answearing my question although I got told that the extar factions and script were not going to be include RTR

also if adding a historical charater is possible may EB be adding it some time

if so I suggested not with a big army but the day there 16 so you can plan your own invasions

thanks again

[Foot]

also if adding a historical charater is possible may EB be adding it some time

if so I suggested not with a big army but the day there 16 so you can plan your own invasions

Quite literally, this is never going to happen in EB. We set the starting conditions, but we have no say about what happens after that (except with certain events whose causes are off map). Take Julius Caesar, how exactly would he be born if his father, or his grandfather, or his great grandfather were killed in battle at the age of 16.

Foot

[Eduorius]

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I know that and I dont want lorica segmentata in the EB timeframe since it was very rare.
Just want to know what historical mod have that type of armor.

[Boyar Son]

Well squamata co-esisted with mail throughout the period. We toyed with having squamata legionaries but dropped it in favour of First Cohorts. It also causes a-historical re-training problems.

Whats a squamata?

[Lord Gruffles]

also why are there RTR V EB topics Closed

I would ask, "why are RTR vs EB topics even started?"

[The Celt]

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So true.

Whats a squamata?

A "Lorica Squamata" was a shirt of metal scales that the Romans used during the "Late Antiquity Period" i.e Late Empire(Well, for the West)era troops. See the Getai(sp?) General and lesser general in the previews for a pic of the Squamata.

[Atilius]

Whats a squamata?

Scale armor - so named in latin for the resemblence of the scales (squamae) to those of lizards.

[Forgus]

Well squamata co-esisted with mail throughout the period. We toyed with having squamata legionaries but dropped it in favour of First Cohorts. It also causes a-historical re-training problems.

As to LS, well I haven't heard of one set in the post-Augustan era.

NOTE TO ALL THOSE THAT MIGHT WANT LORICA SEGMENTATA IN EB. THE ANSWER IS "NO" THAT IS MY FINAL WORD ON THE SUBJECT.

The eastern auxilaries wear squamata. I skinned them....

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

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So true.



A "Lorica Squamata" was a shirt of metal scales that the Romans used during the "Late Antiquity Period" i.e Late Empire(Well, for the West)era troops. See the Getai(sp?) General and lesser general in the previews for a pic of the Squamata.

No, squamata was probably invented by the Celts around the same time they invented mail. It was used throughout the Roman era, from the Polybian until the fall of the Western Empire and beyond. Specifically it more often turns up worn by Legionary officers, standard bearers etc.

Centurians have been depicted wearing a sort of scale defence but it is more likely Lorica Plumbata, which is "scale-over-mail" and provides the best protection. The type of scale armour used in the later empire is quite different, in the the scales are longer and laced directly together, rather than just onto a cloth or leather backing.

[russia almighty]

blinks


Isn't scale mail the oldest form of metal armor out there right? Unless squatmata
had a different style.


Anyway the only thing I find RTR has going for it is a few better looking units , unlike EB though most of the units use vanilla descriptions.



Also one more question for the people really into RTR has the 1.7 patch came out for RTR Platinum or is it still 1.7 beta?

[Bava]

Also one more question for the people really into RTR has the 1.7 patch came out for RTR Platinum or is it still 1.7 beta?

AFAIK the next version is 1.8 and according to florin it will be released *soon*.