Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: Kyoto & Chirac - Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Tax the Hell out of US Imports

  1. #1
    Swarthylicious Member Spino's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Brooklyn, New York
    Posts
    2,604

    Default Kyoto & Chirac - Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Tax the Hell out of US Imports

    Some months ago I posted a link to an article citing the paltry and/or non-existent efforts made by the Kyoto Protocol's signees to stem their own nations' carbon emissions. So now we have another assembly of the Kyoto cabal and look what the EU puts on the table... the threat of a carbon emissions tax... It might as well be a .45 caliber revolver and Jacques is the EU's duly appointed bounty hunter. Kyoto is looking more and more like an underhanded means of engaging in protectionist trade measures against the good old US of A...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/wo...gewanted=print

    I bolded the more 'select' text

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    February 1, 2007
    France Tells U.S. to Sign Climate Pacts or Face Tax
    By KATRIN BENNHOLD
    PARIS, Jan. 31 — President Jacques Chirac has demanded that the United States sign both the Kyoto climate protocol and a future agreement that will take effect when the Kyoto accord runs out in 2012.

    He said that he welcomed last week’s State of the Union address in which President Bush described climate change as a “serious challenge” and acknowledged that a growing number of American politicians now favor emissions cuts.

    But he warned that if the United States did not sign the agreements, a carbon tax across Europe on imports from nations that have not signed the Kyoto treaty could be imposed to try to force compliance. The European Union is the largest export market for American goods.

    “A carbon tax is inevitable,” Mr. Chirac said. “If it is European, and I believe it will be European, then it will all the same have a certain influence because it means that all the countries that do not accept the minimum obligations will be obliged to pay.”

    Trade lawyers have been divided over the legality of a carbon tax, with some saying it would run counter to international trade rules. But Mr. Chirac said other European countries would back it. “I believe we will have all of the European Union,” he said.

    Mr. Chirac spoke as scientists from around the world gathered in Paris to discuss an authoritative international report on climate change, portions of which will be released on Friday.

    Mr. Chirac’s critics say that despite his comments in support of environmental measures, his record as president is far from green. He angered environmentalists across the globe when he conducted nuclear tests in a Pacific atoll within months of coming into office in 1995. He has been a loyal ally of French farmers and their pollution-causing practices, blocking some proposed Europe-wide reforms.

    Most recently, France’s national plan for allocating carbon emission credits to businesses had to be revised after the European Union rejected it as too generous.



    To add insult to injury recently the EU slapped an 'embargo' on a whole slew of US made cosmetics citing the inclusion of certain ingredients they deemed to be harmful to people's health. Is there truth to their claims or is this simply another clever way of sticking it to major US cosmetic companies who possess a huge stake in European markets?

    Nine times out of ten it's always about money.
    Last edited by Spino; 02-02-2007 at 19:51.
    "Why spoil the beauty of the thing with legality?" - Theodore Roosevelt

    Idealism is masturbation, but unlike real masturbation idealism actually makes one blind. - Fragony

    Though Adrian did a brilliant job of defending the great man that is Hugo Chavez, I decided to post this anyway.. - JAG (who else?)

  2. #2
    Master of Few Words Senior Member KukriKhan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Posts
    10,415

    Default Re: Kyoto & Chirac - Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Tax the Hell out of US Imports

    Is their truth to their claims
    Dunno, not being a chemist, but apparently San Francisco has joined the fray over the topic link, so it's not Euro's only.
    Be well. Do good. Keep in touch.

  3. #3
    Arena Senior Member Crazed Rabbit's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Between the Mountain and the Sound
    Posts
    11,074
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Kyoto & Chirac - Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Tax the Hell out of US Imp

    I doubt any real truth is the reason for this - just more protectionism that would be illegal under WTO, just like the US beef restrictions France has been pushing for years.

    CR
    Ja Mata, Tosa.

    The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder

  4. #4
    Enlightened Despot Member Vladimir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    In ur nun, causing a bloody schism!
    Posts
    7,906

    Default Re: Kyoto & Chirac - Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Tax the Hell out of US Imports

    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan
    Dunno, not being a chemist, but apparently San Francisco has joined the fray over the topic link, so it's not Euro's only.
    *spits out drink*

    Huh? You CAN'T be serious. San Fran contains the most extremist elements of our society, that holds true even though they're leftists. Citing the most extreme, whacked out minority means nothing other than what the most extreme, whacked out minority feels.

    And this is Europe? Europe who increased their carbon emissions while the US lowered theirs. I know the French aristocracy loves to be hated and this must be another example of that. I think ol’ Jock St-rap is testing my self control again.


    Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
    How do you motivate your employees? Waterboarding, of course.
    Ik hou van ferme grieten en dikke pinten
    Down with dried flowers!
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 



  5. #5

    Default Re: Kyoto & Chirac - Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Tax the Hell out of US Imports

    just more protectionism that would be illegal under WTO, just like the US beef restrictions France has been pushing for years.
    Errrr....you mean the european ban on beef with growth hormones added , which isn't illegal under any agreements since it is applied to all beef no matter where it comes from , it just hits the US beef exports harder because they use the hormones in more of their cattle .
    Whatever next Rabbit , I suppose the restrictions placed on British , Irish and more recently Canadian beef are illegal protectionism .

    Wow isn't it just like trying to sell a tube of SmartiesTM used to be like in the US , you can do it , as long as you take all the red ones out because the colouring might be harmful

  6. #6
    Master of Few Words Senior Member KukriKhan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Posts
    10,415

    Default Re: Kyoto & Chirac - Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Tax the Hell out of US Imports

    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir
    *spits out drink*

    Huh? You CAN'T be serious. San Fran contains the most extremist elements of our society, that holds true even though they're leftists. Citing the most extreme, whacked out minority means nothing other than what the most extreme, whacked out minority feels.

    And this is Europe? Europe who increased their carbon emissions while the US lowered theirs. I know the French aristocracy loves to be hated and this must be another example of that. I think ol’ Jock St-rap is testing my self control again.
    Maybe you'll like this link better. It chronicles how Swedes & Danes, then US, then EU science guys have examined the various effects of phthalates. Conflicting findings, if I read correctly. San Francisco is considering an ordinance banning the stuff. Hasn't passed yet (I think) and there's more discussion coming.
    Be well. Do good. Keep in touch.

  7. #7
    The very model of a modern Moderator Xiahou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    in the cloud.
    Posts
    9,007

    Default Re: Kyoto & Chirac - Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Tax the Hell out of US Imp

    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan
    Maybe you'll like this link better. It chronicles how Swedes & Danes, then US, then EU science guys have examined the various effects of phthalates. Conflicting findings, if I read correctly. San Francisco is considering an ordinance banning the stuff. Hasn't passed yet (I think) and there's more discussion coming.
    Oh sweet monkey, the cosmetics row was about phthalates? How did I miss that? It is utter nonsense then.
    "Don't believe everything you read online."
    -Abraham Lincoln

  8. #8
    Ming the Merciless is my idol Senior Member Watchman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Helsinki, Finland
    Posts
    7,967

    Default Re: Kyoto & Chirac - Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Tax the Hell out of US Imports

    Quote Originally Posted by Spino
    Nine times out of ten it's always about money.
    ...and US unwillingness to do a thing to avert a possible environmental disaster isn't...?
    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

    -Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO