The Midgard Saga [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Interesting. How would pevergreen know about champions?

[Sigurd]

Current Tally:

No votes: 9
Abstain: 1

Ichigo: 6
pevergreen: 3
Lord Motep: 1
Omanes: 1
Sasaki: 1
sapi: 1

[Redleg]

Interesting. How would pevergreen know about champions?

Indeed - that strikes the possiblity that his reveal as a lord is the lie - where he is actually a king. The holmgang rating higher then 5 would demonstrate that more then anything else. That he knows about the champions could come from several sources - even two or three that I shared the information with via PM. But we should give him the benefit of the doubt because of Hughtower's confirmation of being his champion. Primarily because we know from the write up that Hughtower went to Vahalla.

It would be a bad thing for the gathering to have a holmgang between Omanes and pevergreen. Omanes reveal looks a lot like my Jarl PM in the scope and content of the role. Now until Sigurd gives his premission to post the PM, you will have to take my word on it. Hopefully he will allow me since I revealed earlier - but its his game.

Either way pevergreen should come completely clean on what his role is because its critical to the game at this point. If he is speaking a small lie to protect his role as one of the kings - he needs to fix that aspect. If he can not provide the information - well then its up to the remaining to determine if his role is pro-gathering or projotun. That he denied my reveal and wanting to have me smitted is a tell.

In otherwords its a good thing for him that the jotun killed me last night phase.


Right now he has cast doubt on himself. Those that have protection abilities at night need to know the truth so that they can determine whom best to protect at night. Right now it seems Omanes is their best candidate.

[Sigurd]

@Redleg: You may quote your pm since you revealed before dying.

[Redleg]

@Redleg: You may quote your pm since you revealed before dying.

Thanks. I have removed only the name of the Champion for his protection. If he wish to reveal in the thread I will confirm him.

Human Lord

Hjor Halfsson Jarl

You are the ruler of Stord. You are a War veteran and a ruler under King Sulke of Rogaland.

Your survival is important for the town. The Jotun is out to get you and your retinue. The Jotun will win if they kill you and the other Lords.

You don’t have any special abilities other than having a champion that might take your place at a Holmgang. If you are challenged to a Holmgang PM me if you want your champion to take your place. Your champion is:

Now Sigurd forgot to include my holmgang rating in the initial PM but it was a score of 5 based upon the write up above. As discussed with Reenk earlier in the thread - the score of 5 was most likely the norm for the Jarl

For ease of comparison here is Omanes reveal

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=903

I believe he is telling the truth

[Kralizec]

Sorry for being inactive...again. This thread has grown hugely since I last read it.

Vote: Pevergreen for apparently lying. 8 seems like a ridiculously high holmgang rating anyway for mere humans.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Gee, Redleg, you think maybe pevergreen was trying to conceal his role from the jotun?

Anyway you attempt to slice it pevergreen is caught in a lie - its just a matter of determining if he is a King or a jotun.

Or maybe they just misspoke? Huh, that'd be a first

That he denied my reveal and wanting to have me smitted is a tell.

Oh, the one where you denied Reenk was Loki and tried to drive him into the arms of the jotun?

Just because people's reveals aren't the exact same as yours does not make them jotun.

CR

[Redleg]

Gee, Redleg, you think maybe pevergreen was trying to conceal his role from the jotun?


Or maybe they just misspoke? Huh, that'd be a first



Oh, the one where you denied Reenk was Loki and tried to drive him into the arms of the jotun?

Just because people's reveals aren't the exact same as yours does not make them jotun.

CR

LOL. Misspoke without clarification becomes a lie. Until he corrects the error - it can be seen as a lie, because the evidence directly contradicts what he initially stated.

I wonder if your jotun given that you also have a history of decieving. I wonder if someone should take a serious look at your posts?

Don't worry though Crazed Rabbit after this lynching round I won't be posting much more only reading the thread. I just thought it was interesting that pevergreen would attempt such a bold face lie given that the holmgang ratings of jarls was covered much earlier in the thread.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Might as well reveal my stats:

Holmgang ability: 5(Lord)+1(King) = 6

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Hmm

Redleg says his score was 5. He was equal with HughTower. If pever is jotun than hugh is jotun. So why would pever claim 8? Maybe he thought Redleg had higher than hugh?

Omanes, what was your score?

And pever which lord are you? You conveniently made it harder for someone to counterclaim you.

Unless the description features you tearing up the landscape, an absolute determination of role via holmgang cannot be possible.

I (7) was wounded but overcame Reenk (9).

Redleg (5) was wounded but overcame Hugh (3?).

You are only going to see something truly lopsided if a 7+ holmganger takes on a 1-2 pointer thrall. Absent that, you can estimate that the winner is likely to be stronger, but...

[Redleg]

That's why I want him to fight Omanes in the holmgang.

So please, let pevergreen vs Omanes be the only challenge.

This seems to be counter to your claim of being for the gathering (townie)?

Why would you want a self- declared king to risk death with a self-declared lord?

Now until pevergreen fully explains his lie - or has Crazed Rabbit stated his "mis-speak" such a holmgang is foolish. The best course for the town is to determine which one is speaking the truth and deserves the protection of whoever is the healer that saved Tom Hagen (Now back to his orginial name of Don C.)

[Redleg]

Unless the description features you tearing up the landscape, an absolute determination of role via holmgang cannot be possible.

I (7) was wounded but overcame Reenk (9).

Redleg (5) was wounded but overcame Hugh (3?).

You are only going to see something truly lopsided if a 7+ holmganger takes on a 1-2 pointer thrall. Absent that, you can estimate that the winner is likely to be stronger, but...

Hughtower as a champion would have had a holmgang of 4


Something along the lines of Motep's and Orb's duel is what you are describing here.

Motep didn't even unsheath his sword for half the duel.

[Stig]

Might as well reveal my stats:

Holmgang ability: 5(Lord)+1(King) = 6

Great m8, that shows Pever is obviously lying. No-one will forget his Holmgang rating, or delete the most important pm of the game.
You're rating makes sense (as it's mostlikely true) but Pever's 7 or 8 doesn't.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Unvote; Vote: pevergreen

It is evident that pevergreen is a Jotun, in league with Andres. My PM is clearly not a fake and, since pevergreen desires to challenge a clear King it is evident that he wants me dead. Very Jotunish.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote,Vote:pevergreen

CR's defense of pevergreen is noted.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Upon further review, I concur with Rabbit as to HughTower's innocence. Following from that...

unvote, vote: sapi

[Kagemusha]

Vote Pevergreen. I would like to hear more about his Holmgang stat.

[Andres]

Why would you want a self- declared king to risk death with a self-declared lord?

You have a very good point there.

While it seemed suspicious that pevergreen "lost" his pm, the backing up by HughTower, who is dead and went to Valhalla, speaks for him.

As for Omanes, the role pm looks real enough.

So, for now, pevergreen and Omanes are off the suspect list. You don't have to duel each other as far as I am concerned.

Still left: Ichigo and Lord Motep

Oh, and here is a copy of my pm conversation with Sigurd.

Hi Sigurd.

I have a question about the rules.

Scenario: a God gets attacked by a Jotun on night one. He survives because he is a God and cannot be killed. Afterwards that same God pm's the game master (you) that he will join the Jotun. The game master says : ok and the God shall play on the side of the Jotun.

Is this scenario possible within the rules of the Midgard Saga?

Yes and No...

Not very helpful huh

Sigurd

You mean : yes for some Gods, no for other Gods...?

No comment

P.S.: Do the rules of the game allow me to post your answers on these questions in the thread? Or to forward your answers to other players? If I would ask the same questions in the thread, would you answer them there as well?

Yes

Guess the failed attempt on Tom doesn't make him automatically innocent...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

HughTower went to Valhalla upon death.

So far, all of those heading to Valhalla have been: warriors, non-jotun

That is pretty much definitional for the Einheriar. They weren't recruiting dancing masters, but they were there to OPPOSE the jotun.


Hugh has publicly vouched for pevergreen.


Hugh, assuming he was a champion, would have known the name of his Lord. He did specifically say this of pevergreen.


They may both be playing a game to protect their real king, using pev as a sacrafice, but that's a bit of a long-shot explanation.


Overall, I am inclined to trust this Einheriot.


pevergreen inflating his holmgang rating as a protective tool isn't hard to explain -- though he should have reviewed existing information more closely before doing so. This, so far, is the only real piece of evidence being used to hang him.


I was following Sasaki's lead on sapi....but Sasaki is "whirling" again.


Omanes, on the other hand, seems to have put out a convincing reveal and he is voting against pevergreen. Yet we are also aware that none of the kings are aware of one another.


Unvote; Vote Kagemusha


Why? pevergreen I believe is good, omanes seems good, sapi is just feuding with Sasaki, ichigo isn't trustworthy, but neither is Reenk.....so I'm grabbing a lurker and hoping he'll add his voice.

[Stig]

So, for now, pevergreen and Omanes are off the suspect list. You don't have to duel each other as far as I am concerned.

Still left: Ichigo and Lord Motep

When was I taken off? As I believe I was on

[Kagemusha]

Seamus.Becouse i have been busy at real life past few days.That doesnt make me a lurker. If you read through the thread you see me quite active,but in last few days i havent made a single post in the Org becouse i have been busy. But ofcourse its your decision.

[Andres]

When was I taken off? As I believe I was on

You were? Ok, since you so kindly asked: added Stig on the suspect list, because he lurked so long that I completely forgot about him

[Stig]

You were? Ok, since you so kindly asked: added Stig on the suspect list, because he lurked so long that I completely forgot about him

If I lurk so do you, as you lurked so long you forgot about me

*makes suspects list*
*puts Andres on it*

beat that

[Andres]

now I remember why Stig was a suspect

But you gave a good reason to unvote Omanes, so you're no longer a suspect. Just don't meatball anymore in the future, you naughty boy

On the other hand, maybe you did unvote Omanes because it is obvious now that he is pro-town and keeping your vote would make you look suspicious.

Sorry Stig, you're back on the list.

*sigh*

Who will pay for my paranoia-therapy after this game?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

What is concerning me is what happens this night, I now have a guaranteed death at Jotun hands.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Seamus.Becouse i have been busy at real life past few days.That doesnt make me a lurker. If you read through the thread you see me quite active,but in last few days i havent made a single post in the Org becouse i have been busy. But ofcourse its your decision.

Hmmm. Sounds plausible enough.

You haven't voted actively in a while either.....


Unvote Kagemusha

Vote Proletariat


Time for a vote and some discussion milady. Your low-key style is a constant, but also a useful tool at times.

[Stig]

On the other hand, maybe you did unvote Omanes because it is obvious now that he is pro-town and keeping your vote would make you look suspicious.

Sorry Stig, you're back on the list.

I unvoted Omanes before he was clearly pro-town (well clearly pro-town to me)
but then you are being paranoic

[Caius]

What is concerning me is what happens this night, I now have a guaranteed death at Jotun hands.

One of two:

You are Jotun, and saying:'Oh, protect me, im going to be attacked' when this can be a scum tactic.
Two, you are really afraid of dying.

[Sigurd]

Current Tally:

No votes: 6
Abstain: 1

pevergreen: 6
Ichigo: 5
Lord Motep: 1
Omanes: 1
Prole: 1
Sasaki: 1

[Don Corleone]

Unvote: Omanes
Vote: Pevergreen

If I can't get you, Omanes, I'll get your partner. Sorry, people with a role that lie to cover the role generally explain themselves after they're sniffed out. Pevergreen on the other hand appears to be taking a "maybe this will all blow over" approach. It will, once we put a spear through your heart, you filthy Jotun!