It's Official Obama is running in '08

[Tristrem]

Today, Obama announced he is running for president in '08. His annoucement can be found here:

http://www.barackobama.com/

here:

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/02/1...ck_obam_11.php

and the cnn story here:

http://http://www.barackobama.com/20...unning_for.php

I think it is good to see a fresh face running for president, not canidates that are recycled, like McCain, or Hillary, Rudi, or Edwards. While some say he is inexperienced, I believe that it could be a good thing. Having a new perspective will help promote change for the better. Sure he has some skeletons in his closet, but who doesn't these days. While he is probably not the most qualified canidate, I think he has the best chance of uniting the country after the election and leading us to a brighter future.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The "inexperienced" line got old ages ago.

[Xiahou]

The "inexperienced" line got old ages ago.

Well, if the shoe fits...

However, he does have the privilege of being the only major Democrat candidate who's not a total hypocrite on Iraq. At least he was consistently against it from it's outset. More than I can say for the other political opportunists running in his party.

[Tribesman]

However, he does have the privilege of being the only major Democrat candidate who's not a total hypocrite on Iraq. At least he was consistently against it from it's outset. More than I can say for the other political opportunists running in his party.

Yep , while Edwards has come out and said his support was a mistake , Clinton is still just dodging around with the "well if I knew then what I know now........blah blah blah " rubbish .

[KafirChobee]

Can only become the VP running mate, but will make it all a bit interesting none the less.

[Banquo's Ghost]

However, he does have the privilege of being the only major Democrat candidate who's not a total hypocrite on Iraq. At least he was consistently against it from it's outset. More than I can say for the other political opportunists running in his party.

Almost as amusing as the coming spectacle of Republican candidates repudiating their president and their war, don't you think?

[Samurai Waki]

McCain seems to be the only Rep. Candidate with enough nerve to stick by his guns and admit that he supported the president then, and continues to do so for the most part now. He's the only candidate that I doubt will do a 180, even though McCain has fallen out of my graces since last year.

[pevergreen]

Saw him on the news..I would vote him.

Go the random guy!

[Ice]

Today, Obama announced he is running for president in '08. His annoucement can be found here:

http://www.barackobama.com/

here:

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/02/1...ck_obam_11.php

and the cnn story here:

http://http://www.barackobama.com/20...unning_for.php

I think it is good to see a fresh face running for president, not canidates that are recycled, like McCain, or Hillary, Rudi, or Edwards. While some say he is inexperienced, I believe that it could be a good thing. Having a new perspective will help promote change for the better. Sure he has some skeletons in his closet, but who doesn't these days. While he is probably not the most qualified canidate, I think he has the best chance of uniting the country after the election and leading us to a brighter future.

Recycled?

[discovery1]

And to think I went to a party and got wasted instead of traveling to Springfield to see him......

[BDC]

And to think I went to a party and got wasted instead of traveling to Springfield to see him......

I'm pretty sure my Tory friend goes to political things to get wasted. Or at least get free smoothies. Life across the pond eh?

I like Obama from what I've seen. He seemed a nice, pretty smart guy. Clinton worried me a bit.

[Bijo]

Today, Obama announced he is running for president in '08.

Hmmm, sounds like another puppet to me. Not to go off-topic, but I think at some point sooner or later, Schwarzenegger's going to be prez :P

Anyway, I wouldn't put my money on Obama.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Hmmm, sounds like another puppet to me. Not to go off-topic, but I think at some point sooner or later, Schwarzenegger's going to be prez :P

Anyway, I wouldn't put my money on Obama.

I doubt the likelihood of an AH-nuld presidency. It would require a constitutional ammendment and those are few and far between -- only 17-18 in the last 21 decades -- and one of those was a repeal of a previous one.

Obama is proving he can raise cash on the national level. He is also showing a glib verbal style as a speaker/personality. Can he overcome the far more developed Clinton machine and get the nomination? Tough odds. If nominated, can he overcome the "liberal as font of all evil" hammering of the GOP in the general? Possibly. I have to agree that he's on an uphill course at the moment.


Tachi':

I am not at all surprised that you support (at least so far) Senator Obama. He is very staunchly on your side of the political perspective on a majority of issues.

When you call race an "illusion," do you mean that race:

a) should be irrelevant as it has no bearing on anything of consequence such as character, intelligence, morality, etc.

b) should be viewed as less than useful since it is nothing but a "social constuction" and is therefore more symptomatic than it is descriptive.

c) a concept without meaning.


I would agree whole-heartedly with "a," would view "b" as correct but not helpful since that can be said of almost any value-laden term, but I would disagree with c).

What say you?

[Tachikaze]

I am not at all surprised that you support (at least so far) Senator Obama. He is very staunchly on your side of the political perspective on a majority of issues.

When you call race an "illusion," do you mean that race:

a) should be irrelevant as it has no bearing on anything of consequence such as character, intelligence, morality, etc.

b) should be viewed as less than useful since it is nothing but a "social constuction" and is therefore more symptomatic than it is descriptive.

c) a concept without meaning.


I would agree whole-heartedly with "a," would view "b" as correct but not helpful since that can be said of almost any value-laden term, but I would disagree with c).

What say you?

You may have missed a thread in which I explained in detail my reasoning for "illusion".

I would answer both B and C.

I think race is an artificial concept. The lines we draw between racial categories are arbitrary. All "races" are mixed races. There is no pure race. All people are originally from one single ancestral parent and successive generations developed adoptations to various climates. Although large numbers of people share certain characteristics, the lines between populations blur.

Physical characteristics, such as dark skin, epicanthic eyefolds, curly hair, high nosebridges, etc. are shared by multiple races, and not shared by all members of any particular race.

Members within a race have as many differences as members of different races.

Etc.

[Devastatin Dave]

You may have missed a thread in which I explained in detail my reasoning for "illusion".

I would answer both B and C.

I think race is an artificial concept. The lines we draw between racial categories are arbitrary. All "races" are mixed races. There is no pure race. All people are originally from one single ancestral parent and successive generations developed adoptations to various climates. Although large numbers of people share certain characteristics, the lines between populations blur.

Physical characteristics, such as dark skin, epicanthic eyefolds, curly hair, high nosebridges, etc. are shared by multiple races, and not shared by all members of any particular race.

Members within a race have as many differences as members of different races.

Etc.

Then why did you lump all the white people into one race, O' Enlightened One?

[KukriKhan]

watching closely.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You may have missed a thread in which I explained in detail my reasoning for "illusion".

I would answer both B and C.

I think race is an artificial concept. The lines we draw between racial categories are arbitrary. All "races" are mixed races. There is no pure race. All people are originally from one single ancestral parent and successive generations developed adoptations to various climates. Although large numbers of people share certain characteristics, the lines between populations blur.

Physical characteristics, such as dark skin, epicanthic eyefolds, curly hair, high nosebridges, etc. are shared by multiple races, and not shared by all members of any particular race.

Members within a race have as many differences as members of different races.

Etc.

This explanation fits entirely within what I define as category "B." I do think such social constructions are often important as we define our realities through communicative interaction.

On a biological level, you are quite correct. All of these distinctions are inconsistent and shared at least by "outliers" in the other "races." Clear lines of demarcation are approximations at best and insipid at worst. Also, as we know, the percentage of variation genetically is so miniscule as to be statitistically insignificant.

Thanks for catching me up on your take on this.

[Vuk]

This dude, McCain, and Hillary are the ones that I would least like to see in the White House. Hope he is defeated. All we need now is a juicy scandal...

[Stig]

I hope he wins, America could do with a black president imo ... and a democrat ofcourse

[Vuk]

I hope he wins, America could do with a black president imo ... and a democrat ofcourse

That, my little Stiggy Wiggy, is the very soul of racism. His being black should have nothing to do with you wanting him to be prez. If we are ever going to get rid of racial predjiduce, we are going to have to start admiring and hating people for their attributes and ignoring their race. I don't car about your little "ballancing" garbage; you are doing exactly what nessecitated the civil rights movement, you are discriminated on the basis of race.

[Stig]

That, my little Stiggy Wiggy, is the very soul of racism. His being black should have nothing to do with you wanting him to be prez. If we are ever going to get rid of racial predjiduce, we are going to have to start admiring and hating people for their attributes and ignoring their race. I don't car about your little "ballancing" garbage; you are doing exactly what nessecitated the civil rights movement, you are discriminated on the basis of race.

I'm not even bothering to reply to your post

oh stupid me I did, ah well:

MEH!!!

[Vuk]

While I am at it, I will bash the stupid bi-partisan system. You are a perfect example of how dumb it is...you and most every American. Here you are, not going to vote for your values and your country, but your party!!! There is a problem there. Like most Republican, they would vote for McCain because he is Republican, even though he stands against everything they believe in and flip-flops as much as John Kerry! Vote based on a persons qualifications for the good of you country, don't vote for your party...or a race you endorse...

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I'm not even bothering to reply to your post

oh stupid me I did, ah well:

MEH!!!

I think Vuk may have mis-understood your post, but you don't need to flip out on him Stig,no need mate.


Being the Republican I am, I obliolsuy am backing the Iraq War, so mostly the only beefs I would have with Obama would be with learining he took drugs when he was a kid, and him not Supporting the Iraq War.


Why can't we get a Clean President, who never took drugs, or had some sort of alchol ploblem or inolved in a scandel? You take a Look at Bush,CLintion and now Obama, it just makes me sick. I think Obama could win, I like the guy- expect for the two things above..

[Lemur]

If we are ever going to get rid of racial predjiduce, we are going to have to start admiring and hating people for their attributes and ignoring their race. I don't car about your little "ballancing" garbage; you are doing exactly what nessecitated the civil rights movement, you are discriminated on the basis of race.

Hmm, there's a bit of Colbert to this line of reasoning. So Stig should not be allowed to like Obama at least in part because of his race? But I thought we already clearly established that Obama is not a black man ...

[Marshal Murat]

I don't know about everyone jumping at the chance to kill him.
I'm about as Southern as you can get without jumping the border, and I don't think he would be a bad president.

I just don't like, can't stand, and sometimes outright despise Clinton.

It's just that he's not really planted in the ground yet.

[Mooks]

I dont think a black muslim is going to be elected president. And neither is a woman(hillary clinton). Im not a racist or sexist, but alot of people wont vote for them on those 2 reasons.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I think Obama would make for a fine vice president to the next president of the United States of America: Hillary Clinton.

[Don Corleone]

I think Obama would make for a fine vice president to the next president of the United States of America: Hillary Clinton.

Christ, you Frenchies really do hate America and want to see us collapse.

Obama I could live with as pres or as vice. But Hilllary's not just ideologically different. She has no moral fiber, and would be tyranical. If anything could possibly make me nostalgic for W in 2010, it would be 2 years of a Hillary presidency.

Again, it's not her femaleness or her ideological stance. I'd take Dianne Feinstein (generally viewed as Left of Hillary) any day over Hillary. It's her Clinton-ness that scares me. People like her are convinced that the rules just don't apply to her.

[Stig]

Are you afraid of Hillary?













woops, wrong pic sorry

[Devastatin Dave]

Well, from what I've gathered, if you don't vote for Osama, I mean Obama, you're a racist. But if you don't vote for Hitlery, I mean Hillary, you're sexist. I'm going to have to think this over while eating some fried chicken and watching Oprah, I'll get back to you guys later....