Avoiding vices

[Martok]

It also helps to avoid Very High taxes, if you wish to prevent the worst of the trade/farm income damaging vices.

Quite right, Geezer. Good of you to pick up my slack (since I forgot to mention it myself).

[Deus ret.]

The biggest culprit in gaining vices in MTW is your suprlus cash though I think

It also helps to avoid Very High taxes, if you wish to prevent the worst of the trade/farm income damaging vices.

Quite right, Geezer. Good of you to pick up my slack (since I forgot to mention it myself).

If you guys read my first reply properly I'm sure you'll extract even more potentially useful stuff. I'm playing offended no one reads my posts.

[Martok]

GAH! So you did, Deus ret. My apologies.

[Vladimir]

The question should be, does it really matter? I notice that my governors pick up nasty, revenue reducing vices when revenue no longer matters. Some may play where you don't build every money making improvement like I do but I've found that vices aren't a problem.

Maybe I've just played the game too much.

[Geezer57]

If you guys read my first reply properly I'm sure you'll extract even more potentially useful stuff. I'm playing offended no one reads my posts.

My bad - should I come over to eat worms out of your garden?

[macsen rufus]

Regarding vices, I've discovered that one of the "received wisdoms" about them is wrong, namely that "vices only attach to the general heading a stack". I've seen it happen more than enough times now to convince me that units buried in a stack under a more powerful general DO pick up new VnVs and also have exisiting ones develop further. What's more, units in the retraining queue can also pick them up, and not just on the year they are spat out again with their new weapons/armour/men, etc etc. I must admit I was kind of shocked, but it really does happen (If you click on the VnV parchment and the unit is in for retraining it will take you to "limbo", ie the top left corner of the map, same as when it's a unit just back from ransoming.)

[caravel]

Regarding vices, I've discovered that one of the "received wisdoms" about them is wrong, namely that "vices only attach to the general heading a stack". I've seen it happen more than enough times now to convince me that units buried in a stack under a more powerful general DO pick up new VnVs and also have exisiting ones develop further. What's more, units in the retraining queue can also pick them up, and not just on the year they are spat out again with their new weapons/armour/men, etc etc. I must admit I was kind of shocked, but it really does happen (If you click on the VnV parchment and the unit is in for retraining it will take you to "limbo", ie the top left corner of the map, same as when it's a unit just back from ransoming.)

You've got that right, but in my experience there are still certain vices that only the stack leader will get. There are also other's that a governor or governors will get regardless of whether they lead a stack or not.

[Caerfanan]

Hey guys.

I'm still wondering about all those vice/virtues stuff. I consider it to be quite random, like à % to get them, this % being modifed by circumstances?

Do you know if there is a thread here in the org, or a source somewhere with something like the chances to get each vice or virtue?

The "moving the giys around" part is cvery interesting, I'll try that!

[caravel]

I'm not sure about the moving about thing, but come to think of it, it does make perfect sense. High and Very High taxation definitely does bring on more of the greed, glutton and corruption related vices. An overlarge treasury has a similar effect. There are also alot of corruption vices that seem to appear once you get above 60% of the map conquered.

Piety related vices don't seem to be triggered by anything. They seem to be either random or brought on by attempted inquistitions.