Avoiding vices

[macsen rufus]

Regarding vices, I've discovered that one of the "received wisdoms" about them is wrong, namely that "vices only attach to the general heading a stack". I've seen it happen more than enough times now to convince me that units buried in a stack under a more powerful general DO pick up new VnVs and also have exisiting ones develop further. What's more, units in the retraining queue can also pick them up, and not just on the year they are spat out again with their new weapons/armour/men, etc etc. I must admit I was kind of shocked, but it really does happen (If you click on the VnV parchment and the unit is in for retraining it will take you to "limbo", ie the top left corner of the map, same as when it's a unit just back from ransoming.)

[caravel]

Regarding vices, I've discovered that one of the "received wisdoms" about them is wrong, namely that "vices only attach to the general heading a stack". I've seen it happen more than enough times now to convince me that units buried in a stack under a more powerful general DO pick up new VnVs and also have exisiting ones develop further. What's more, units in the retraining queue can also pick them up, and not just on the year they are spat out again with their new weapons/armour/men, etc etc. I must admit I was kind of shocked, but it really does happen (If you click on the VnV parchment and the unit is in for retraining it will take you to "limbo", ie the top left corner of the map, same as when it's a unit just back from ransoming.)

You've got that right, but in my experience there are still certain vices that only the stack leader will get. There are also other's that a governor or governors will get regardless of whether they lead a stack or not.

[Caerfanan]

Hey guys.

I'm still wondering about all those vice/virtues stuff. I consider it to be quite random, like à % to get them, this % being modifed by circumstances?

Do you know if there is a thread here in the org, or a source somewhere with something like the chances to get each vice or virtue?

The "moving the giys around" part is cvery interesting, I'll try that!

[caravel]

I'm not sure about the moving about thing, but come to think of it, it does make perfect sense. High and Very High taxation definitely does bring on more of the greed, glutton and corruption related vices. An overlarge treasury has a similar effect. There are also alot of corruption vices that seem to appear once you get above 60% of the map conquered.

Piety related vices don't seem to be triggered by anything. They seem to be either random or brought on by attempted inquistitions.

[Caerfanan]

As you say, having a governor bleeding is people dry with taxation whall bring a "counterreaction" of the peasants hiding their ressources... That's what actually happened in the dark ages (at least in France). I think that I'll take the time to make a few "scientifically designed" tests, I'll report when I find out!

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Or when I get dazzled by the testing and resume chopping heads!