Army the First - England - pevergreen

**pevergreen** · 02-04-2007, 11:29

For simplicity in case i make future armies, i will number them by faction! Yey! Fileing!

Money Needed: Ummm...Not Sure.

Units Needed:

Optimal Units:
General's Cav
4 English Knights
6 Retinue Longbowmen
5 Armoured Sworsdman
4 Dismounted English Knights

Of course the tactic is simple

High Ground. Stakes in front. Archers stay put. The Cav (2 each side) flank and rear charge. Armoured Swordsmen make row 2 behind archers, then the English (dsimounted) knights for the enemy heavy infantry.

Untested in MP (mine doesnt work) but is fun to play in SP with the best army you can get at the time.

Around 1100 my army in SP consisted of:
General's Cav
4 Mailed Knights
4 Longbowmen
2 Yeoman Archers
5 Billmen
4 Dismounted Fuedal Knights

Any thoughts on how this would work?

**LuNaR** · 02-04-2007, 14:03

It wouldnt work at all in MP.

You have 5 billmen, im afraid the 4+ unit price cap comes slightly into play here. You only have 1 good cav and 4 very bad cav. Your infantry is weak and anyone with 6+ cav is going to have cav spare which they can use to run over your inf.

**Stig** · 02-04-2007, 14:06

Anyone with 6+ cav is spoiling the game for everyone else imo

**pike master** · 02-04-2007, 15:18

rules need changing then.

billmen and english foot knights should rock after patch. til then use maxed out peasants at 400 a piece.but dismounted feudals should do ok for now.remember that shield bug is only noticed when modding defence values.

peasants upgraded will sometimes be the last to rout from the battlefield he he. and they would be good for counterattack a cav unit that has penetrated your defensive line.

well spearmen are good on counterattack too so they also would be a better choice for now until patch.

in order for stakes to work you will still need to have some kind of 8 units of cav preferably light to attempt to gain cav superiority or at least weaken them.

**Zeph** · 02-04-2007, 17:11

It assumes that the enemy will come to you and fight you from the direction your stakes are in. Might work against the computer, but then so does fudge packing all your units into the computer, but i don't see how it could work against other players when mobility is such a massive factor. Also hill camping is boring.

**YellowMelon** · 02-04-2007, 18:00

If anyone brings longbowmen, retinue's especially, I will just rush them, since you have 6 on your tactic list, thats a third of your budget spent on something that will rout on impact in melee. For a 1v1 tactic it is pretty weak, but I think that if I saw this format in a team game I would try to isolate that army and wipe it out, then proceed to your enemies :P You have to budget archers as minimal as possible atm, since they really dont play an important role, especially if you get rushed and lose the florins spent on them.

**RtkBedivere** · 02-06-2007, 06:05

Originally Posted by Stig

Anyone with 6+ cav is spoiling the game for everyone else imo

How can you make a statement like that. Well may as well just throw timurds, mongols, russia, poland, moors and egypt out the window...

**YellowMelon** · 02-06-2007, 08:47

The thing that people have to remember about MP, is that this is a game, and it is not real life. In the game's universe, things act differently than irl, which means you have to adapt to play the game, which means cavalry plays a critical role due to its relative cheapness vs rl.

**pevergreen** · 02-06-2007, 08:54

Yeah...

That army has many counters, but its quite fun to play.

**Stig** · 02-06-2007, 09:38

Originally Posted by RtkBedivere

How can you make a statement like that. Well may as well just throw timurds, mongols, russia, poland, moors and egypt out the window...

What do you prefer, a nice and good balanced battle that takes 15 minutes
Or
An opponent that goes cav only and charges you

**pevergreen** · 02-06-2007, 09:39

Originally Posted by Stig

What do you prefer, a nice and good balanced battle that takes 15 minutes
Or
An opponent that goes cav only and charges you

QFAT

**RtkBedivere** · 02-06-2007, 15:53

Originally Posted by Stig

What do you prefer, a nice and good balanced battle that takes 15 minutes
Or
An opponent that goes cav only and charges you

Im all for a cav limit. But 6? Wow thats just saying i cant play against cav dont take them in my game.

Id rather play a game with players who can play balenced builds and know how deal builds that may exploit the game. I have an idea lets use,

max 6 cav
no art (of course crosses and standards count as art)
no ele
max 2 ha
no horse archer circle
no gun powder
no naptha
max 2 xbows
no jav cav
max 4 peasants

Btw i prefer a fun game that isnt run by stalin.

Edit: whoops let out no generals sry.