Why CA does not react on nazism

**KrooK** · 02-13-2007, 21:21

I wrote e-mail to CA. As for now - no reply. Looks like its ok for them if someone glorify nazism on their forum.

**Stig** · 02-14-2007, 00:06

Originally Posted by KrooK

I wrote e-mail to CA. As for now - no reply. Looks like its ok for them if someone glorify nazism on their forum.

You try posting "I love Nazi's" on .com, I know about 15 mods that will ban you before you even pressed submit

**Hosakawa Tito** · 02-14-2007, 00:57

The most effective course of action is peer pressure. If there's an ignore function use it, any attention in the chat is exactly what they seek, don't give them what they want. Refuse to play in any game the perpetrators join or host. After being totally ignored for awhile they tend to go elsewhere.

**Monarch** · 02-14-2007, 01:26

Originally Posted by Stig

You try posting on .com, I know about 15 mods that will ban you before you even pressed submit

Corrected the quote a little

**ElmarkOFear** · 02-14-2007, 08:44

Since there is an ignore function in the M2TW lobby, this problem should be moot.

If any of you remember what happened the last time someone made a point to complain about Rome's lobby, you would be very careful how you approached CA on this issue. For those who aren't aware of what CA did to the Rome lobby when someone threatened a lawsuit (or at the very least, bad publicity), CA closed down the lobby completely. Then reinstated the lobby, minus the ability to chat within the lobby for quite a long time.

If a big issue is made of this, you may have to decide if you would rather just put this nazi-spouting idiot on ignore or do without the chat function. If you choose the latter, then you are punishing the wrong people and not the trouble maker.

You can't expect others to fight all your battles, especially when there is a remedy available for you to eliminate the problem (the ignore command).

I can guarantee CA will overreact on this issue if pressed.

**KrooK** · 02-14-2007, 12:24

Sorry but I can't agree with previous post. We have our laws and our rights to use them.
CA blocked ability of using some words, why they can't some add others like
"heil hitler".
Actually into Poland that behavior would be very good reason to put lawsuit againts both that Germand and CA. CA must know that they are responsible for words on their lobby. So if we can't say "shit" - "heil hitler" should be blocked too.

**ElmarkOFear** · 02-14-2007, 15:42

Though why can't you just put this person on ignore and ban? Problem solved. CA has given everyone a way to eliminate idiots like this nazi propagandist, so why not use it? Would you rather see the chat server shut down like before?

Given CA hasn't shown much interest in MP over the years, I am sure they would be most happy to shut down the chat server. At least until the new expansion is out and they want to market its multiplayer feature once more.

BTW: Such speak of supporting Nazism is illegal in some countries, not all. As much as we hate it, in a lot of countries, we have to put up with it. CA is based in England and Australia. I am not sure, but I believe spouting nazi propaganda is not considered illegal in those two countries. It's stupid and hateful, but I do not think it is illegal (You would have to ask someone who lives there). Though hate speech is banned in those two places, so you may be able to go at it from that angle instead. Unfortunately, I know little of international law and its relationship to the internet. Given the RTW lobby didn't have a way to ban individuals (supposedly, which is why they shut the RTW chat server down for such a long time awhile back), I wonder if it is possible with the M2TW lobby? If not, I guess CA could shut down chat for those individuals residing in countries where it is illegal. That is what they did with Rome's chat lobby, I am sure they can do it again.

As I stated before, every time someone in the community sees somebody being offensive (or saying something which is considered illegal in their country), they can PM everyone in the lobby and ask them to put the guy on ignore and ban him from their games. If he doesn't get a rise out of people, he will go away. Since this is the internet, there is no way to really punish this low life, but you can make things uncomfortable for him by ignoring/banning.

Your idea of having certain words placed in the "filter" also appears to be a possible solution, but do you have any idea exactly how many words there would be necessary to filter such language? Plus, do you know how easy it is to get around these filters if you really want to? Just add some extra characters between letters. Then you add on top of this 100's of languages and it would take another server just to document all offensive and illegal words/speech.

Either way, I hope you have success in stopping this big dummy. There is no place in the TW community for such hatefulness, nor the world for that matter.

**Lusted** · 02-14-2007, 15:50

A is based in England and Australia. I am not sure, but I believe spouting nazi propaganda is not considered illegal in those two countries. It's stupid and hateful, but I do not think it is illegal (You would have to ask someone who lives there).

It's not illegal in the UK. You might be able to use the hate crime angle, but ignoring him would work best. He's probably just some idiot saying those things for fun to annoy people. So put him on ignore.

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 02-14-2007, 21:19

Originally Posted by ElmarkOFear

Though why can't you just put this person on ignore and ban? Problem solved. CA has given everyone a way to eliminate idiots like this nazi propagandist, so why not use it? Would you rather see the chat server shut down like before?

Given CA hasn't shown much interest in MP over the years, I am sure they would be most happy to shut down the chat server. At least until the new expansion is out and they want to market its multiplayer feature once more.

BTW: Such speak of supporting Nazism is illegal in some countries, not all. As much as we hate it, in a lot of countries, we have to put up with it. CA is based in England and Australia. I am not sure, but I believe spouting nazi propaganda is not considered illegal in those two countries. It's stupid and hateful, but I do not think it is illegal (You would have to ask someone who lives there). Though hate speech is banned in those two places, so you may be able to go at it from that angle instead. Unfortunately, I know little of international law and its relationship to the internet. Given the RTW lobby didn't have a way to ban individuals (supposedly, which is why they shut the RTW chat server down for such a long time awhile back), I wonder if it is possible with the M2TW lobby? If not, I guess CA could shut down chat for those individuals residing in countries where it is illegal. That is what they did with Rome's chat lobby, I am sure they can do it again.

As I stated before, every time someone in the community sees somebody being offensive (or saying something which is considered illegal in their country), they can PM everyone in the lobby and ask them to put the guy on ignore and ban him from their games. If he doesn't get a rise out of people, he will go away. Since this is the internet, there is no way to really punish this low life, but you can make things uncomfortable for him by ignoring/banning.

Your idea of having certain words placed in the "filter" also appears to be a possible solution, but do you have any idea exactly how many words there would be necessary to filter such language? Plus, do you know how easy it is to get around these filters if you really want to? Just add some extra characters between letters. Then you add on top of this 100's of languages and it would take another server just to document all offensive and illegal words/speech.

Either way, I hope you have success in stopping this big dummy. There is no place in the TW community for such hatefulness, nor the world for that matter.

Hey,

no place in the TW MP communtiy for Hate like this, but I must argee with Elmark and Krook though.

Yes, I find saying Nazi Proganda is stupid and crude, but banning them is the best way- unless it's taking place on a fourm.

You can nolfity CA m8, Krook, might be good idea to do that, but then again, like El said, we all remember what happen when a certain MP player went to CA? ?

If it takes place on a fourm then yes. DOn't listen to the "just ignore them" people here aat TW MP, because if it take place at a place (not at .com), then I doubt it going to be proleplyy handed, expect for a ban for him.

I say, don't respond. Take pics and ask admins to leave the posts there for physcial online proof. Ask for his IP, and go to IP infomation place, I use WHOIS, and find out his ISP and report him. I reported people,are in the process of reporting someone and even been threated myself once, so I know how the Process Works Krook. Let the ISP shut him down if he does it on a fourm..

**Kenchi_Shaka** · 02-14-2007, 16:15

anything with an erotical context is censored.

the word sex is censored, even if u only say "its expensive..."
the word viagra is also censored.

sieg heil, heil hitler and that stuff is not cencored...

i hate the censor and wish it was removed, but as long there is one they shall suppress facsism be4 they censor anythin else.

Derfasciti Where do you live, Krook? In America at least, that freedom is allowed us. And CA is an american group.

i think a discussion about wheter freedom of speech is a good thing or not is legal, but facsism isnt interested in that discussion, it simply denies it.
why should it be granted freedom of speech then?

shaka

**ElmarkOFear** · 02-14-2007, 17:13

I can see banning those few words, but as you know, it is very easy to get around filters . . . *S-E=X, ZEX, S3X and a bunch of other ways, so filtering these words might slow such down, but not eliminate it altogether. CA could do it as a feel good, politically correct thing to do, but it wouldn't stop those who are persistent about such things.