Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded]

[Pannonian]

Vote: Reenk

Can you explain in more detail why you're voting Reenk?

[Faust|]

*edit out*

[Pannonian]

*edit out*

Can you explain why you edited out your reply to Reenk: "Or you could murder me"? If you have an explanation for your vote for Reenk, spill it. Or face the rope this round or the next.

[pevergreen]

Editing like that can get you killed

[Faust|]

Can you explain why you edited out your reply to Reenk: "Or you could murder me"? If you have an explanation for your vote for Reenk, spill it. Or face the rope this round or the next.

All I have to say at this point is that it looks as if we [reenk] are not playing the same game

Look at his reply. Is that the genuine reply of a townie (who's single ultimate goal I'll remind you, is to eliminate the mafia)? His reply doesn't even make sense. Looks like he forgot to act how an accused townie should act to a lone vote.

Remember there is a team of two mafia, it would be stupid for them to act the exact same way...

I'm also surprised that someone jumped to Reenk's defense so aggressively when he was not in any danger of being lynched. Are you that dumb?

[HughTower]

I quite like this mysterious stranger. He's amusing me already.

[pevergreen]

He looks to be better than me already

[Faust|]

I don't respond well to threats, sorry to disappoint.

[Csargo]

I quite like this mysterious stranger. He's amusing me already.

It looks like love at first sight.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Can you explain why you edited out your reply to Reenk: "Or you could murder me"? If you have an explanation for your vote for Reenk, spill it. Or face the rope this round or the next.

Since when do you decide who faces the rope?

It should be pretty obvious why faust would vote for reenk. Reenk is either scum hiding behind a feud, roleplaying spillover from midgard, or just amusing himself.

[Csargo]

Since when do you decide who faces the rope?

It should be pretty obvious why faust would vote for reenk. Reenk is either scum hiding behind a feud, roleplaying spillover from midgard, or just amusing himself.

I decide who lives and who dies.

I guess I really should start acting seriously in this game.

[Pannonian]

All I have to say at this point is that it looks as if we [reenk] are not playing the same game

Look at his reply. Is that the genuine reply of a townie (who's single ultimate goal I'll remind you, is to eliminate the mafia)? His reply doesn't even make sense. Looks like he forgot to act how an accused townie should act to a lone vote.

Remember there is a team of two mafia, it would be stupid for them to act the exact same way...

I'm also surprised that someone jumped to Reenk's defense so aggressively when he was not in any danger of being lynched. Are you that dumb?

I don't know if I am dumb or not, but I do know when someone isn't explaining himself very well. What exactly do you mean by Reenk not making sense? Quote some examples, then explain how they do not make sense. Link to suspicious Reenk posts that made you vote for him. If Reenk is not in danger, why vote for him in the first place without even an explanation to try and convince others to turn him into a lynchee? We've seen that kind of tactic before in M3, when Kommodus deliberately evaded bandwagons to avoid drawing accusations.

Now I don't think you are mafia, since the descriptions suggested 2 mafiosi who were pretty interested in the game. However, if you are a detective who discovered Reenk to be scum, you're not helping matters by being opaque about this, and you'll probably be killed in the night before you reveal your role. And if you're still alive after tonight, I might be inclined to call for your lynching anyway as an unhelpful townie (at best). So give a better explanation of your vote and reasoning.

[HughTower]

It looks like love at first sight.

He reminds me of you. Just as irrelevant, but says less. Beautiful.

EDIT: posted this at the same time as your more meaningful post, Faust, so I'll retract that accusation of irrelevancy. My apologies.

[Reenk Roink]

Since when do you decide who faces the rope?

Since when do you decide to question people like this?

It should be pretty obvious why faust would vote for reenk. Reenk is either scum hiding behind a feud, roleplaying spillover from midgard, or just amusing himself.

Wow, you give 4 (negative) options of my motives. How original.

All I have to say at this point is that it looks as if we [reenk] are not playing the same game

Yeah, I'm not lurking only to pop out of nowhere.

Look at his reply. Is that the genuine reply of a townie (who's single ultimate goal I'll remind you, is to eliminate the mafia)? His reply doesn't even make sense. Looks like he forgot to act how an accused townie should act to a lone vote.

Looks like you need to play more, or go back and check how I react when people vote for me, especially in your manner. Retaliation voting is, along with proactive voting on very strong reasons, the only ethical way to play the game. All other votes are frivolous and transgressive.

Remember there is a team of two mafia, it would be stupid for them to act the exact same way...

The sky is blue.
No kidding...

This rookie has got to go next round...

[Pannonian]

Since when do you decide who faces the rope?

Since people started preferring bandwagoning to actual discussion of points raised. Most evidently in the last round when I made a single post arguing for Caius Flaminius' execution, and a number of others followed without much questioning of my points. However flattering that may have been, it still shows a tendency for the crowd to follow the first person to make a seemingly authoritative case. The cure for that is more people participating in more discussion.

It should be pretty obvious why faust would vote for reenk. Reenk is either scum hiding behind a feud, roleplaying spillover from midgard, or just amusing himself.

However obvious it is, Faust isn't exactly making his thinking clear. The more discussion we have, the better the chances of finding mafia - that's been a well-established principle of all Mafia games.

[Faust|]

Looks like you need to play more, or go back and check how I react when people vote for me, especially in your manner. Retaliation voting is, along with proactive voting on very strong reasons, the only ethical way to play the game. All other votes are frivolous and transgressive.
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This rookie has got to go next round...

Wonder if your rotundity will let you sell that BS.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Keep cool, people.

[Reenk Roink]

Wonder if your rotundity will let you sell that BS.

How on earth does "rotundity" have any relation or connection to "selling BS". At least make sure you remain coherent when you attempt to insult people...

Don't worry GeneralHankerchief...

[Pannonian]

Wonder if your rotundity will let you sell that BS.

Are you going to join the discussions, or are you going to just throw insults around? FYI, IIRC I was the first person to vote for Reenk in this game, so I'm open to persuasion if you can make a better case than you're currently doing.

[Faust|]

How on earth does "rotundity" have any relation or connection to "selling BS". At least make sure you remain coherent when you attempt to insult people...

The purpose was not to insult, pontifical one.

*edit*, you're right GH, sorry.

[Csargo]

Keep cool, people.

I'm cold as iceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Reminds me of that ATHF episode

[Faust|]

I don't know if I am dumb or not, but I do know when someone isn't explaining himself very well. What exactly do you mean by Reenk not making sense? Quote some examples, then explain how they do not make sense. Link to suspicious Reenk posts that made you vote for him. If Reenk is not in danger, why vote for him in the first place without even an explanation to try and convince others to turn him into a lynchee? We've seen that kind of tactic before in M3, when Kommodus deliberately evaded bandwagons to avoid drawing accusations.

Now I don't think you are mafia, since the descriptions suggested 2 mafiosi who were pretty interested in the game. However, if you are a detective who discovered Reenk to be scum, you're not helping matters by being opaque about this, and you'll probably be killed in the night before you reveal your role. And if you're still alive after tonight, I might be inclined to call for your lynching anyway as an unhelpful townie (at best). So give a better explanation of your vote and reasoning.

My explanation was plain. I'm not going to say anything more.

[Xiahou]

It should be pretty obvious why faust would vote for reenk. Reenk is either scum hiding behind a feud, roleplaying spillover from midgard, or just amusing himself.

I thought you voted to lynch people who voted without a stated reason. But alas, it seems that you've taken to writing reasons for them instead.

My explanation was plain. I'm not going to say anything more.

If you've investigated him, spill it. It's widely acknowledged that a detective is a good trade for a mafioso. If you haven't done so and aren't a detective, they you have some explaining to do.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Since when do you decide to question people like this?



Wow, you give 4 (negative) options of my motives. How original.



Yeah, I'm not lurking only to pop out of nowhere.



Looks like you need to play more, or go back and check how I react when people vote for me, especially in your manner. Retaliation voting is, along with proactive voting on very strong reasons, the only ethical way to play the game. All other votes are frivolous and transgressive.



The sky is blue.
No kidding...

This rookie has got to go next round...

Since always

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[Sasaki Kojiro]

However obvious it is, Faust isn't exactly making his thinking clear. The more discussion we have, the better the chances of finding mafia - that's been a well-established principle of all Mafia games.

I don't get it. You mention that you voted for reenk early, you say you see plenty of reasons for suspecting him, yet you threaten Faust with a lynching for voting him?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I thought you voted to lynch people who voted without a stated reason. But alas, it seems that you've taken to writing reasons for them instead.

I vote for many reasons. But why vote people who are voting for scummy people? That's a sign of pro-towness, reason or no.

[Pannonian]

I don't get it. You mention that you voted for reenk early, you say you see plenty of reasons for suspecting him, yet you threaten Faust with a lynching for voting him?

I voted Reenk in the first round. I am always inclined to vote Reenk, whenever I get the slightest excuse to do so (this getting me on the list in M3). IIRC I have voted Reenk in the first round in all three GH games I have played in. At the moment, I have other people on my mind, but I will jump at the chance to vote Reenk again if given a remotely plausible reason. Faust hasn't given that reason. Indeed, the way he has posted makes him a hyper-version of Ichigo in this game - deliberately unhelpful and deliberately irritating. I have already voted Sigurd in this round for being unhelpful, and if things don't change I'll vote Faust next round for the same reason. It seems likely Xiahou will do the same, and you can add Reenk to that list as well, making 3 votes. If anyone else wishes to jump on that bandwagon, that will at least equal the quorum needed for previous executions.

There's a simple solution to this for Faust - explain himself better as I suggested. But he refuses to do so, saying he doesn't respond well to threats, and that he's said all he's going to say. If coaxing doesn't work, then we'll have to use the threat of the rope. I'll vote for him next round (if I'm still alive), and I'll recommend others to do so as well. Faced with imminent execution, Faust must provide a better explanation as I've requested all along, or he will go to the gallows. I suspect he's just an unhelpful townie, and I don't really want to waste a lynch on him, but if he continues to refuse to explain himself, we'll reach the deadline and the pressure votes will still be on him, and he'll only have himself to blame for bieng stubborn.

[Csargo]

Since when do you decide to question people like this?



Wow, you give 4 (negative) options of my motives. How original.



Yeah, I'm not lurking only to pop out of nowhere.



Looks like you need to play more, or go back and check how I react when people vote for me, especially in your manner. Retaliation voting is, along with proactive voting on very strong reasons, the only ethical way to play the game. All other votes are frivolous and transgressive.



The sky is blue.
No kidding...

This rookie has got to go next round...

Seems like Faust| has struck a nerve RR. And why should he be killed next round? Seems posting something others don't agree with makes you unhelpful and a great lynch candidate.

Edit:WOOOOOO 4000

[Sasaki Kojiro]

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Lynching people for being unhelpful is not a protown move. Let's lynch mafia aka vote xiahou.


btw, since when is Ichigo unhelpful and irritating? I think he's one of the more shrewd players and he gets discussion going.

For that matter, I'm not seeing the sigurd hate either. He often edges around acting scummy to avoid getting nightkilled. Xiahou is the play for today.

[Pannonian]

Lynching people for being unhelpful is not a protown move. Let's lynch mafia aka vote xiahou.

And then? I don't really want to lynch Faust, as I think he's a townie. But persuasion hasn't got him to open up so far. The only thing that has consistently been able to get people to talk in all Mafia games is several votes stacked against them and the prospect of execution. If that's what it takes to get him to talk, then that is what he should face. I'll be voting early, and I urge others to do so too, to give Faust plenty of opportunity to explain himself as I've suggested, again and again. I've had to face down a few of these when I was nothing more than an active townie, so I don;t see why it's so unreasonable to expect the same from him.

I'm not calling for his lynching. I'm calling for him to explain himself more, a familiar cry to those who've seen me in other games. However, it looks like persuasion isn't going to get him to talk, so the only way we have left is the threat of execution. Personally, I will be giving him plenty of time in which to contribute to the discussion. However, if he continues to refuse to explain himself while he has a stack of votes against his head, the deadline will pass and the execution will be carried out. If he's left himself in that position despite all the warnings, too bad for him, and too bad for the town if he's not scum. But he'll have had plenty of warnings.