Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded]

[Pannonian]

Vote: Sigurd

[pevergreen]

Why?

[Csargo]

Vote: Sigurd

[Faust|]

He's a replacement, so most likely not anything. He probably voted for me because he saw my name in the "Regarding Atheism" thread.

I swear, arrogance knows no limits.

Pannonian I get what you're trying to say to me all along, but aren't the mafia allowed to see those rules as well?

"This was what you objected to when you declared you don't respond to threats. This isn't some anti-terrorism campaign, this is a Mafia game."

I addressed this in my explanation. Read again and then, well...

[Kommodus]

Vote: Sigurd

Because it looks to me like he's playing the "crazy townie" role again, and I think Xiahou is innocent. Sigurd's behavior has been strange throughout the game. My preliminary analysis, BTW, was inconclusive; I have some suspects, but I'll wait a bit before naming them.

[Reenk Roink]

I swear, arrogance knows no limits.

Why do you keep trying to baiting me? In this thread and the "Regarding Atheism" one.

I stated a theory why you have voted for me. All you have been able to do (except make fat jokes) is call me "arrogant". In the "Regarding Atheism" thread, I stated that your gave examples of potential infinites instead of actual infinites. You called me "condescending"...

These were not my intentions, and your perceptions are not my responsibility.

I did not call you condescending or arrogant when you said there was something wrong with my question...

Really, you gotta just get over it now...

[Csargo]

Why do you keep trying to baiting me? In this thread and the "Regarding Atheism" one.

I stated a theory why you have voted for me. All you have been able to do (except make fat jokes) is call me "arrogant". In the "Regarding Atheism" thread, I stated that your gave examples of potential infinites instead of actual infinites. You called me "condescending"...

These were not my intentions, and your perceptions are not my responsibility.

I did not call you condescending or arrogant when you said there was something wrong with my question...

Really, you gotta just get over it now...

hehehe

[ChuggtheSquirrel]

Don't know who to vote for... Who should I vote for?

[Faust|]

Why do you keep trying to baiting me? In this thread and the "Regarding Atheism" one.

Really, you gotta just get over it now...

I'm not baiting you, "Reenk"

[Faust|]

I hope you're not taking this personally man. Maybe we have some issues we can work out.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Sigurd

Reasons as noted in previous round.

Faust -- Reenk:

We need to let you guys Holmgang....

[Faust|]

Vote: Sigurd

We need to let you guys Holmgang....

That would literally be the mistake of his life

[CountArach]

Whoever last updated the list forgot my vote for Xiahou...

[Andres]

Vote : Sigurd

For the same reasons I stated before (see posts #438 and #440).

[HughTower]

Don't know who to vote for... Who should I vote for?

So, there have been 547 posts devoted to the topic of who should we lynch, there's been well reasoned arguments, pedantic semantic debate, insults, tantrums, tears, laughter, & the whole pantechnicon of human emotion, yet, still,

You don't know for whom to vote?

In summary (& I'll try & keep this as objective as possible, despite having expressed my arguments on the matter at some length) then, the two bandwagons are on:

Xiahou - for posting out of character to previous games. This has been denied vigorously by the defendant, whose robust defense has led others to vote for him ......for defending robustly. He has since given up defending himself, voted to lynch himself as the only way left to prove his innocence (he feels) & help the town move on in its inquiries is through his death. He left this vote on till the end, even though by lifting it he could have secured his safety & lynch Sigurd. This last tactic saw an uplift in his fortunes with a few crucial votes swinging away from him & onto others.

Sigurd - for bandwagonning, poor reasoning (if any), & hindering the town in its investigations. He has done little to defend himself at any point, claims he has no time at the moment (yet enough to read the thread & vote & mod another game), took his vote off Xiahou in the last round to force a tie (allegedly) but then put it back on when it looked like he himself would be lynched. In contrast to Xiahou, it appears that this behaviour will prove to be his downfall.

[pevergreen]

Id like to make a note. Voting for oneself is:
1. A mafia tactic
2. a new player feeling s/he is out of their depth, thinking it would help.

Either way, getting rid of that person is good for the town.
I have convinced myself, and shown my arguments.

I do not give up what i believe in easily, and have stated that my votes in this game will not come unless there is a very good reason.

Vote: Xiahou

[Sigurd]

I guess someone did a mistake...

Tally:
Not voting: 9 (Chugg, Dutch, Fenring, Ignoramus, JimBob, Kommodus, Lord Motep, pever, Warluster)

Xiahou : 6 (ByzantineKnight, CountA, Sasaki, Sigurd, Stig, Xiahou)
Sigurd : 5 (Andres, Kage, Pannonian, Redleg, Seamus)
Kommodus: 1 (CR)
Reenk: 1 (Faust)
Pannoninan: 1 (Ichigo)
Sasaki: 1 (Reenk)


Apparently we should not have this revote...

But should the narrator not consider this, Vote:Sigurd

[HughTower]

I guess someone did a mistake...

Tally:
Not voting: 9 (Chugg, Dutch, Fenring, Ignoramus, JimBob, Kommodus, Lord Motep, pever, Warluster)

Xiahou : 6 (ByzantineKnight, CountA, Sasaki, Sigurd, Stig, Xiahou)
Sigurd : 5 (Andres, Kage, Pannonian, Redleg, Seamus)
Kommodus: 1 (CR)
Reenk: 1 (Faust)
Pannoninan: 1 (Ichigo)
Sasaki: 1 (Reenk)


Apparently we should not have this revote...

But should the narrator not consider this, Vote:Sigurd

But he won't, & you can pretend it was all a grand mistake. How Machiavellian!

[Sigurd]

But he won't, & you can pretend it was all a grand mistake. How Machiavellian!

It was not my mistake... and there is no pretending. A mistake is a mistake and I caught it. Should I not have brought this to GH's attention?

[HughTower]

It was not my mistake... and there is no pretending. A mistake is a mistake and I caught it. Should I not have brought this to GH's attention?

Of course you should bring it GH's attention. You're Mafia & you should want to stay alive. The re-vote looks like it might go against you so it is in your interests that this mistake is brought to light.

Just like when you put your vote back on Xiahou when it looked like you were to going to be lynched.........

[Sigurd]

You're Mafia

No you are were Mafia... and we lynched you.

Why should we listen to a lynched player? You have not been proven innocent.

[Dutch_guy]

Of course you should bring it GH's attention. You're Mafia & you should want to stay alive. The re-vote looks like it might go against you so it is in your interests that this mistake is brought to light.

If that mistake is truthfully a mistake, then I daresay bringing that to GH's attention would immediately brand him as a mafioso. If GH confirms this as a valid mistake, I'll vote Xiahou since it' d be quite unfair to lynch someone in a revote when he would have missed out on that revote had the count been correct.

[Andres]

OOC:

I counted the votes manually:

Sasaki: 1 (Reenk)
Xiahou: 6 (Sasaki, CA, BK, Stig, Xiahou, Sigurd)
Sigurd: 5 (ATC, Pannonian, Seamus, Redleg, Kagemusha)
Kommodus : 1 (CR)
Reenk: 1 (Faust)
Pannonian : 1 (Ichigo)

Fair is fair and we do want a fair game where the rules are followed, do we?

I for sure don't want to play a game where we take advantage of a human mistake of the gamemaster, who can be excused since he seems to be very occupied with real life.

It would be like cheating. So gentlemen, I suggest we all shut up until GH posts his write-up and that we continue our discussions afterwards.



EDIT: can somebody double check, just to make sure I counted correct?

[HughTower]

Why should we listen to a lynched player? You have not been proven innocent.

You've not been proven innocent either. My lynching is irrelevant. Why are you so concerned about my contribution to the thread?

The evidence against you is stacking up. This game you have been guilty of:

1. Bandwagonning
2. Deliberately illogical reasoning
3. Retaliation voting
4. Demonstrating a suspicious attachment to staying alive
5. Lurking for significant periods of the game
6. Questioning the need for open & honest debate

Dutch guy - I think we're arguing the same, but differently here. In short, if that vote tally is correct, then Xiahou should be lynched. I think it unlikely GH will decide otherwise without very good reason.

I do think (as you do, it appears) that Sigurd is showing an unhealthy devotion to staying alive, & that it does indeed 'brand him as a mafioso'.

EDIT: I posted at the same time as Andres, so I'm not ignoring his call for silence by posting. I will, however, now shut up.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

His behavior convinced me he was mafia in TGFII...turns out he was town. In my experience he's a lot more careful as mafia.

There's no hurry.

[Sigurd]

We shall continue this HughTower when GH has decided what to do...
My game is about to end and I will then have more time to "play"...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ugh, this is what I get when I decide to follow a tally instead of make my own count.

I shall do a manual count now and report back here with the results.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I confirm Sigurd's and Andres' tally.

It seems as if the ongoing tally excluded CountArach's vote for Xiahou.

Xiahou has been lynched, I shall write a proper description when I come home.

Vote summary (only the Sigurd/Xiahou votes, I didn't bother counting the others):

Xiahou: 6 (Sasaki Kojiro, Stig, Sigurd Fafnesbane, CountArach, ByzantineKnight, Xiahou)
Sigurd Fafnesbane: 5 (AndresTheCunning, Pannonian, Seamus Fermanagh, Redleg, Kagemusha)

Sorry about that.

[Csargo]

So, there have been 547 posts devoted to the topic of who should we lynch, there's been well reasoned arguments, pedantic semantic debate, insults, tantrums, tears, laughter, & the whole pantechnicon of human emotion, yet, still,

You don't know for whom to vote?

In summary (& I'll try & keep this as objective as possible, despite having expressed my arguments on the matter at some length) then, the two bandwagons are on:

Xiahou - for posting out of character to previous games. This has been denied vigorously by the defendant, whose robust defense has led others to vote for him ......for defending robustly. He has since given up defending himself, voted to lynch himself as the only way left to prove his innocence (he feels) & help the town move on in its inquiries is through his death. He left this vote on till the end, even though by lifting it he could have secured his safety & lynch Sigurd. This last tactic saw an uplift in his fortunes with a few crucial votes swinging away from him & onto others.

Sigurd - for bandwagonning, poor reasoning (if any), & hindering the town in its investigations. He has done little to defend himself at any point, claims he has no time at the moment (yet enough to read the thread & vote & mod another game), took his vote off Xiahou in the last round to force a tie (allegedly) but then put it back on when it looked like he himself would be lynched. In contrast to Xiahou, it appears that this behaviour will prove to be his downfall.

That's a very one sided summary.

[Stig]

Hughtower supports Xiahou as it seems, that means this is a good lynch.