Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded]

[Sigurd]

Truly awful, patronising logic, Sigurd. I don't know where to begin.

You are only excused if, by some strange quirk, you can demonstrate to me that this fact [bulls are colourblind etc] is taught as part of your national curriculum at a set point in your country, & therefore, you have assumed that it is the same in every other.

Poor argument, & a bandwagon to boot - stand up & be counted Suspect No 1.

Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane

AHA!!!

So I hit home with my patronising... I guess you don't like being called stupid in public mafioso.
I guess the old ruse tactic still works.

unvote: pevergreen, vote: HughTower

[HughTower]

AHA!!!

unvote: pevergreen, vote: HughTower

The case against you snowballs:

1. Poor logic
2. Bandwagon
3. Retaliation vote

[pevergreen]

Bah with your patronising and such.

I have to say, I didnt know they were colourblind, but I knew it wasnt because the flag was red.

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[Sigurd]

The case against you snowballs:

1. Poor logic
2. Bandwagon
3. Retaliation vote

I guess you are the grumpy old man here today.

In what way is my logic poor? The assuption that only youngsters believe bulls sees red?
Maybe I overestimate the British school system that still teaches the dogma that Bulls actually can see the colour red.
I guess I should include all the UK players to my suspicious pool.

What is wrong with Bandwagoning? This is the only way to reduce the number of players and lynch a possible mafioso. If all voted differently there would be no lynch and absolutely no chance to catch a mafioso.
Bandwagon is a necessity.
My retaliation vote was because you got angry with my assumption which was a ruse BTW. Taunt the Mafia and they will answer.
You answered and seemed a little offended. Did I offend you? Did I patronise your well thought kill description?

My vote stands.

[Dutch_guy]

What is wrong with Bandwagoning? This is the only way to reduce the number of players and lynch a possible mafioso. If all voted differently there would be no lynch and absolutely no chance to catch a mafioso.
Bandwagon is a necessity.

You're right, it is the only way to actually get someone lynched. However, the bitter taste in the mouth comes because people simply tend to follow one 'influential' player, trusting him fully and therefor not taking the evidence (if there even is any) into account. So yes, numerous votes are needed to lynch, but those votes don't have to necessarily come out of a bandwagon.

[Sir Moody]

thanks pann

okay so we seem to be killing reenk here which is a bad move he is a good asset to the town not only because he tends to be a focus for discussion but hes also good as a mafia hunter

so to bring this to a draw i
unvote
vote Pevergreen

this is purely to create a draw

[HughTower]

I guess you are the grumpy old man here today.

In what way is my logic poor? The assuption that only youngsters believe bulls sees red? .

Yes, that is the poor logic to which I was referring. It is also patronising. It is a common misconception that, in no way, is related to age.

Now you have since stated that this patronising tone was deliberate:

I guess the old ruse tactic still works.

What is wrong with Bandwagoning? This is the only way to reduce the number of players and lynch a possible mafioso. If all voted differently there would be no lynch and absolutely no chance to catch a mafioso.
Bandwagon is a necessity.

My point of argument is that you are using your 'poor logic' as an a thinly veiled excuse to bandwagon. Bandwagonning is bad, because the easiest place for Mafia is hide is in the herd.

So, in summary, I argue that it was a deliberate ruse you contrived so as to hop on the nearest bandwagon so the town would lynch one of their own.

My retaliation vote was because you got angry with my assumption which was a ruse BTW. Taunt the Mafia and they will answer.
You answered and seemed a little offended. Did I offend you? Did I patronise your well thought kill description?

My vote stands.

You didn't offend me. I am not Mafia, nor am I young, nor did I write the kill.

Your assumption/argument was 'truly awful', in terms of its logic & patronising nature. Again, because a retaliation vote is seen as unhelpful & scummy, you have contrived my percieved anger as being of an indignant mafioso (& frustrated author).

Now these are my arguments, I won't reiterate them (at length). If anyone else would like to add their own conclusions (fresh eyes etc), that would be much appreciated.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I like Sigurd's attempt, it's the type of thing that will start some actual discussion. The colorblind thing is also taught, though I was taught at age 9 or so so I don't see the argument there.

[Dutch_guy]

I like Sigurd's attempt, it's the type of thing that will start some actual discussion. The colorblind thing is also taught, though I was taught at age 9 or so so I don't see the argument there.

That said, I still don't understand why people tend to look to the kill descriptions with the actual intent of finding the mafia responsible for them. Has it even worked, ever ?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That said, I still don't understand why people tend to look to the kill descriptions with the actual intent of finding the mafia responsible for them. Has it even worked, ever ?

Helped me identify Reenk. I don't think it's bad as a discussion starter. Used to be someone would mention something from the kills and everyone would jump on the wagon. Nowadays it just starts people talking.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I'm dead and it's only first round, those who killed me shall die for this.

[Orb]

Vote: Sigurd

If I remember correctly GH writes up the kills based on what the mafioso sends to him.
It seems like a poor attempt to start a bandwagon.

[Sir Moody]

all i can say is this entire round has me utterly confused ... can no-one keep their vote for more than 3 posts? can someone put up a tally so i can see where the winds are going because im utterly lost as it is

Vote Abstain

until i can see which way the wind is blowing

[Pannonian]

Tally as of post #114

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sasaki (2) - , redleg, sapi
reenk (3) - , discovery1, seamus, pannonian
orb (1) - , sasaki
pevergreen (2) - , byzantineknight, ichigo
redleg (1) - , crazed rabbit
pannonian (2) - , xiahou, andresthecunning
sigurd (2) - , hughtower, orb
hughtower (1) - , sigurd
abstain (7) - , caius flaminius, chuggthesquirrel, destroyer of hope, countarach, stig, rythmic, sir moody
not voting (12) - , kagemusha, fenring, motep, sir boo, reenk, jimbob, pevergreen, ignoramus, warluster, dutch guy, zalmoxis, kommodus

Total (33)