Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, the vote is really about Reenk's sense of humor and love of the "high wire." What you term "weak" reasons for round one votes are hardly anything novel.

And why does Ultrawar implicate Reenk again?

[Csargo]

On second thought Pever is a better candidate.

Unvote:Squirrel Guy
Vote:Pevergreen

[pevergreen]

Everyone votes me. waits for massive bandwagon to lynch him out of the game

On a serious note, why am I a better candidate?

And you voted me in Sigurd's without a reason as well.

[Csargo]

Everyone votes me. waits for massive bandwagon to lynch him out of the game

On a serious note, why am I a better candidate?

And you voted me in Sigurd's without a reason as well.

I voted for you for the same reason BK did. Sasaki start's discussion's killing him in the first round would be very very stupid.

[Csargo]

Everyone votes me. waits for massive bandwagon to lynch him out of the game

On a serious note, why am I a better candidate?

And you voted me in Sigurd's without a reason as well.

double post

[Stig]

If someone is suspicious it's Pevergreen
Vote: Pevergreen

pity it's a bandwagon, but I would have done the same would I be the first to vote for him

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote,Vote:Stig

for bandwagon

[Stig]

Told ya, I can't even vote for the most suspicious person anymore because it's a bandwagon, ohhhhhhhhhhh (Check Midagard Saga, and see Sasaki bandwagoning)

Vote: Abstain

happy now

[Sasaki Kojiro]

eh, that's a reasonable reaction.

unvote, Vote:Orb

[sapi]

Vote: Sasaki

For a reaction ;)

[naut]

unvote; Vote:Pannonian

For voting for someone who isn't even playing.

Xiahou if Pannonian was Mafia wouldn't he have checked the list before when choosing who to kill? So that would make me assume he is not Mafia as he did not even know who was/was not playing.

I'm not going to vote you, but you remain suspicious in my books.

Vote: Abstain

[Andres]

Xiahou's reasoning sounds suspicious, but after Capo and Mafia V, I'm going to press Proletariat and Reenk Roink to leave a larger footprint on the game.

Vote: Proletariat

Hmmm... Proletariat isn't even playing

Seems like a poor attempt to prove your innocence.

Pannonian under hard pressure from the town: "But I can't be mafia. At the beginning of the game I didn't even know who was playing. If I were mafia, I would have checked the list of participants to make my choice for the first kill, wouldn't I? So I must be innocent."

Vote : Pannonian

[naut]

That is also true AndresTheCunning, but you seem to be protecting Xiahou. I'm not instigating anything, I'd just like to know why.

[Sigurd]

I guess the game has started...

If I remember correctly in GH's games the kills might be written by the mafiosi or GH has tailored them based on a few instructions from the mafiosi.

The first kill caught my eye. An obvious frame of someone like CF (spanish reference). But I am thinking a young player since everyone old enough knows that Bulls are colourblind. It is not the red colour that catch the attention of the bull but the movements of the cape.
Or this could be a frame of the young players.

There is not much to go on here but the town's interest is not served by having a no-lynch this round.

Vote: pevergreen

A shameful bandwagon I know... but you are one of the young players.

[naut]

PS: What you say is true though AndresTheCunning and Pannonian is also on my list of potential suspects.

[Andres]

but you seem to be protecting Xiahou.

Oh, but I am not protecting Xiahou. I am well aware that his vote for Destroyer of Hope had a strong smell of "meatballing", but the "clumsy" vote of Pannonian caught my eye. Pannonian is usually pretty clear and sharp in his arguments. This "silly mistake" just looks a bit too convenient to me.

That's why I go for Pannonian for now.

[HughTower]

I guess the game has started...

The first kill caught my eye. An obvious frame of someone like CF (spanish reference). But I am thinking a young player since everyone old enough knows that Bulls are colourblind. It is not the red colour that catch the attention of the bull but the movements of the cape.
Or this could be a frame of the young players.

Vote: pevergreen

A shameful bandwagon I know... but you are one of the young players.

Truly awful, patronising logic, Sigurd. I don't know where to begin.

You are only excused if, by some strange quirk, you can demonstrate to me that this fact [bulls are colourblind etc] is taught as part of your national curriculum at a set point in your country, & therefore, you have assumed that it is the same in every other.

Poor argument, & a bandwagon to boot - stand up & be counted Suspect No 1.

Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane

[Sigurd]

Truly awful, patronising logic, Sigurd. I don't know where to begin.

You are only excused if, by some strange quirk, you can demonstrate to me that this fact [bulls are colourblind etc] is taught as part of your national curriculum at a set point in your country, & therefore, you have assumed that it is the same in every other.

Poor argument, & a bandwagon to boot - stand up & be counted Suspect No 1.

Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane

AHA!!!

So I hit home with my patronising... I guess you don't like being called stupid in public mafioso.
I guess the old ruse tactic still works.

unvote: pevergreen, vote: HughTower

[Pannonian]

Hmmm... Proletariat isn't even playing

Seems like a poor attempt to prove your innocence.

A repeat of the Andres fiasco - I really should check the lsts before voting. Reenk it is then, for the same reason as before, and I'm sure he's playing.

Unvote
Vote: Reenk Roink

[HughTower]

AHA!!!

unvote: pevergreen, vote: HughTower

The case against you snowballs:

1. Poor logic
2. Bandwagon
3. Retaliation vote

[pevergreen]

Bah with your patronising and such.

I have to say, I didnt know they were colourblind, but I knew it wasnt because the flag was red.

Discussion has started Unvote

[Orb]

Vote: Sigurd

If I remember correctly GH writes up the kills based on what the mafioso sends to him.
It seems like a poor attempt to start a bandwagon.

[Pannonian]

Oh, but I am not protecting Xiahou. I am well aware that his vote for Destroyer of Hope had a strong smell of "meatballing", but the "clumsy" vote of Pannonian caught my eye. Pannonian is usually pretty clear and sharp in his arguments. This "silly mistake" just looks a bit too convenient to me.

That's why I go for Pannonian for now.

Thanks for the compliment, but note I was the first to vote for AndrestheCunning in Capo, starting a bandwagon that only stopped when HughTower pointed out you weren't even playing. My arguments may sound pretty clear and sharp, but I really should check some of the details before voting.

[Sir Moody]

all i can say is this entire round has me utterly confused ... can no-one keep their vote for more than 3 posts? can someone put up a tally so i can see where the winds are going because im utterly lost as it is

Vote Abstain

until i can see which way the wind is blowing

[Pannonian]

Tally as of post #114

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

sasaki (2) - , redleg, sapi
reenk (3) - , discovery1, seamus, pannonian
orb (1) - , sasaki
pevergreen (2) - , byzantineknight, ichigo
redleg (1) - , crazed rabbit
pannonian (2) - , xiahou, andresthecunning
sigurd (2) - , hughtower, orb
hughtower (1) - , sigurd
abstain (7) - , caius flaminius, chuggthesquirrel, destroyer of hope, countarach, stig, rythmic, sir moody
not voting (12) - , kagemusha, fenring, motep, sir boo, reenk, jimbob, pevergreen, ignoramus, warluster, dutch guy, zalmoxis, kommodus

Total (33)

[Sigurd]

The case against you snowballs:

1. Poor logic
2. Bandwagon
3. Retaliation vote

I guess you are the grumpy old man here today.

In what way is my logic poor? The assuption that only youngsters believe bulls sees red?
Maybe I overestimate the British school system that still teaches the dogma that Bulls actually can see the colour red.
I guess I should include all the UK players to my suspicious pool.

What is wrong with Bandwagoning? This is the only way to reduce the number of players and lynch a possible mafioso. If all voted differently there would be no lynch and absolutely no chance to catch a mafioso.
Bandwagon is a necessity.
My retaliation vote was because you got angry with my assumption which was a ruse BTW. Taunt the Mafia and they will answer.
You answered and seemed a little offended. Did I offend you? Did I patronise your well thought kill description?

My vote stands.

[Dutch_guy]

What is wrong with Bandwagoning? This is the only way to reduce the number of players and lynch a possible mafioso. If all voted differently there would be no lynch and absolutely no chance to catch a mafioso.
Bandwagon is a necessity.

You're right, it is the only way to actually get someone lynched. However, the bitter taste in the mouth comes because people simply tend to follow one 'influential' player, trusting him fully and therefor not taking the evidence (if there even is any) into account. So yes, numerous votes are needed to lynch, but those votes don't have to necessarily come out of a bandwagon.

[Sir Moody]

thanks pann

okay so we seem to be killing reenk here which is a bad move he is a good asset to the town not only because he tends to be a focus for discussion but hes also good as a mafia hunter

so to bring this to a draw i
unvote
vote Pevergreen

this is purely to create a draw

[HughTower]

I guess you are the grumpy old man here today.

In what way is my logic poor? The assuption that only youngsters believe bulls sees red? .

Yes, that is the poor logic to which I was referring. It is also patronising. It is a common misconception that, in no way, is related to age.

Now you have since stated that this patronising tone was deliberate:

I guess the old ruse tactic still works.

What is wrong with Bandwagoning? This is the only way to reduce the number of players and lynch a possible mafioso. If all voted differently there would be no lynch and absolutely no chance to catch a mafioso.
Bandwagon is a necessity.

My point of argument is that you are using your 'poor logic' as an a thinly veiled excuse to bandwagon. Bandwagonning is bad, because the easiest place for Mafia is hide is in the herd.

So, in summary, I argue that it was a deliberate ruse you contrived so as to hop on the nearest bandwagon so the town would lynch one of their own.

My retaliation vote was because you got angry with my assumption which was a ruse BTW. Taunt the Mafia and they will answer.
You answered and seemed a little offended. Did I offend you? Did I patronise your well thought kill description?

My vote stands.

You didn't offend me. I am not Mafia, nor am I young, nor did I write the kill.

Your assumption/argument was 'truly awful', in terms of its logic & patronising nature. Again, because a retaliation vote is seen as unhelpful & scummy, you have contrived my percieved anger as being of an indignant mafioso (& frustrated author).

Now these are my arguments, I won't reiterate them (at length). If anyone else would like to add their own conclusions (fresh eyes etc), that would be much appreciated.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I like Sigurd's attempt, it's the type of thing that will start some actual discussion. The colorblind thing is also taught, though I was taught at age 9 or so so I don't see the argument there.