Big Cohens big gay boatride for 11 year olds.

[Ser Clegane]

gay people are more than normally untrustworthy.

I'm still not sure if I understand your position - untrustworthy, how? And why?

[Tribesman]

Used here as a metaphor. What I am saying is that for me gay people are more than normally untrustworthy.

Absolute bollox , perhaps the issue here might be your own sexuality .
Hmmmm feeling slightly haggard about poofs eh ?

[Del Arroyo]

Absolute bollox , perhaps the issue here might be your own sexuality .
Hmmmm feeling slightly haggard about poofs eh ?

Not particularly. It's only that they tend to have characteristic psychological and emotional issues which go beyond mere sexuality. So do straight people, but their issues are more like my own, so I can relate better.

[Stig]

Why can't we trust gay people?
Will they go and start suicide bombing as well? Will they fly planes into high buildings? Will they start ganging up and rob people?

[Tribesman]

OK Del thats clearer .

[ajaxfetish]

As for sexed if we feel it is better for Jr. to find out in class than from the older guys no big deal. But what is the need to teach them about sexual practices that do not lead to reproduction?

If we take it farther than that then it is not education exactly but more political indoctrination. The child will make up his or her own mind much more clearly with out someone nudging them in a particular direction. People who say it is needed would to me have some sort of agenda.

Because reproduction is not the only effect of sex on society. Besides the points Tribesman brought up, think about STD's for example. They're not only dangerous to couples engaging in heterosexual sex.

Ajax

[AntiochusIII]

Reading this thread makes me want to go gay and join the party just to piss the homophobes off; but, you see, I don't find men's butt and the weapon in the front very interesting.

Can anyone give me a sex change so I can be a girl and go gay with that?

[Louis VI the Fat]

How many movies, books, what not aren't there about thirteen year old heterosexual kids falling in love for the first time, stealing a kiss, taking a quick peek at each other?
Our society is full of 14, 15, 16 year olds exploring their straight sexuality.

Yet, when some non-hetero teens take their first tentative steps towards a sex life everybody is all over it? They can't have a sex-life? Unlike straight kids they must wait or something? Gah, I say!

Go kids and I hope they meet some attractive significant others during their cruise with which to explore their emerging sexuality with - preferably right there and then on the boat.

[Prince of the Poodles]

Look, there are good and bad gay people, just like there are good and bad straight people. But my personal experiences have led me to the conclusion that gay people are basically guilty until proven innocent.

gay people are more than normally untrustworthy.

You really know how to make a person feel like ****.

What the hell? Is this allowed?

How does someone's sexuality affect.... well, anything but who they are attracted to?



And let me say that putting some kids on the "gay" boat or whatever the original poster was refering to isnt going to make them gay, because no one can be made gay. You are or you arent.

[Fisherking]

There are loads of oddballs in this world, and being homosexual doesn't have any bearing on weirdness. Who the heck cares about someone else's sexual habits unless someone is coming on to you…then make your choice.

I will say that I see trying to recruit young boys and tell them they are gay is a matter of self interest and trying to expand the pool of potential partners.


Now just for Tribesman: I will say that Ancient Ireland may have had the most liberated and healthy views of sex I have read about anywhere…before the Church got there anyway.

[Banquo's Ghost]

You really know how to make a person feel like ****.

What the hell? Is this allowed?

How does someone's sexuality affect.... well, anything but who they are attracted to?
.

Del Arroyo was expressing his viewpoint. You will notice that Ser Clegane was asking for clarification.

It's allowed so far because whilst a generalisation (and in my view without merit) Del is entitled to express his views as long as he doesn't step over the line of deliberate insult.

Some may think he has - I guess we're trying to allow him to speak for himself and others to challenge those views. We try not to censor if it can be avoided, and the language used so far, whilst controversial, is not entirely inflammatory.

[Prince of the Poodles]

Look, there are good and bad black people, just like there are good and bad white people. But my personal experiences have led me to the conclusion that black people are basically guilty until proven innocent.

black people are more than normally untrustworthy.

Would such statements be allowed on this board? I dont see much difference.

(Sorry to push the issue, but sometimes you just have to stand up for yourself.. even on a gaming forum)

[Adrian II]

Go kids and I hope they meet some attractive significant others during their cruise with which to explore their emerging sexuality with - preferably right there and then on the boat.

Well put, consigliere. Speaking of which, one of my first 'experiences' occurred on a boat when I was 15. Very, um, inspiring. It wasn't part of a parade, but it sure felt as if I was at the centre of one.

[Husar]

How does someone's sexuality affect.... well, anything but who they are attracted to?

Theoretically that is the way it is, but there are quite a few gay guys which behave a bit "girlish" making their sexual orientation obvious. Since that effectively makes them different from straight men and stand out in the crowd, it easily leads to generalisations and stereotypes of which I cannot tell whether they're true since so far I haven't come along anyone of whom I know that he is gay and does not behave like this.

Just my observation so far.

[Vuk]

As far as I know in the Ol' West rape was fairly common place, as there was plenty of hiding space for roaming Brigands and not enough manpower to have any decent sort of enforcement. Hell, even Law Enforcement would get in on the act sometimes, just because nobody could stop them. Thats why vigilantism became especially ubiquitous in Montana and such places, the Law was every bit as bad as the Criminal. A lot of innocent people probably died because of hear say, just so that an angry mob could be appeased. The Wild West was definantly not a friendly place in any respect to the word.

Read "The Myth of Violence in the Old West". It is an article by Roger McGrath. Though I have read quite a bit on the subject, this I must say, sums it up the best.

It was because of the lack of unified, un-corrupt, effective law enforcement that so many killings happened in the old west. People couldn't exploit the law system and get away with rape. They knew that if they raped a woman they would be hunted down and killed by her loved ones. You obviously don't know you history well, because rape was considered one of the big no-no's. Usually even the most corrupt criminals would never do it because they knew the consequences. That doesn't only apply to rape however, but in most cases crime against women at all. The Pinkertons were the only ones who dared go after another man's loved one (and they did it often as a method of terror), but most people (not even ruthless killers) would not mess with women. Once you have studied the history of the era a bit, please post with your thoughts. Till then, it probably would be best not to post of which you do not know. ;)
Cheers,
Vuk


*Sees Tribesman's fingers fly across keyboard as he googles up*

[Sasaki Kojiro]

As I learned from watching deadwood, there wasn't a lot of rape in the west because most of the women were whores.

I don't know how this tangent got started, but city life is bound to be different.

[Vuk]

As I learned from watching deadwood, there wasn't a lot of rape in the west because most of the women were whores.

I don't know how this tangent got started, but city life is bound to be different.

That is untrue and disrespectfull. A movie like deadwood is hardly something to base your opinion on...you might as well base it on what you see on Star Wars...they would be just as relevant...

[AntiochusIII]

That is untrue and disrespectfull. A movie like deadwood is hardly something to base your opinion on...you might as well base it on what you see on Star Wars...they would be just as relevant...

It's actually based on more truth than you think: the vast majority of the earlier immigrants moving Westward (the oh-so romanticized "Wild West") were men. Very, very few were women. There was also a stigma against girl cowboys, miners, and women taking "men's jobs" early on. The only "lucky few" are the married ones, and the rest were either seamstresses or prostitutes: they had no other viable occupation choices, really.

And your claim that vigilantism somehow reduces crime is dubious; I'd rather have a link to see if you don't mind. Historical examples point towards the opposite.

In any case, how the hell does the Wild West has anything to do with gay partaaay (woohoo!) which is the topic? Unless I missed a Brokeback Mountain reference somewhere earlier?

[Tribesman]

*Sees Tribesman's fingers fly across keyboard as he googles up*

No need to google Vuk , you are talking rubbish .
Plain and simple .

Though I have read quite a bit on the subject, this I must say, sums it up the best.

People couldn't exploit the law system and get away with rape.

Don't you think the case of the sleepwalking murdering arsonist rapist would be a good example of exploiting the law system .
Though you might have a point about some people not being able to "exploit" the law system over rape , little things like the hostility over the abolishion in some states and territories of the death penalty meaning suspects would be dragged form jail or the court be mobs ad lynched without any due process , or even dragged out from prison after sentance to recieve some alternative justice .

[Papewaio]

That is untrue and disrespectfull. A movie like deadwood is hardly something to base your opinion on...you might as well base it on what you see on Star Wars...they would be just as relevant...

What, wookie kissing?

[Fragony]

The best way to test your impartiality in this case (and your patience I believe) is to ask yourself the same question in the inverse situation. If your worries are not biased towards homophobia the answer should be clearer than water.

Just in case: the inverse situation would be a boat for straights.

Ironically enough that is on queensday

It isn't the gay parade that bothers me, they can shake it all they want. What bothers is that homosexual organisations force their will on 11 year olds, who will listen to adults when these tell them what they are, when it's a great uncertainty that this is actually so. If they are gay they will find out, this is not the way. The organisation that supports this, was also a active supporter of the pedo-party, do consider that as well.

[GoreBag]

Hydrophobia is used to refer to molecules having a chemical aversion to water.

As far as I know, Hydrophobia is the aversion to ingestion of fluids because of the pain caused by the infection in the throat of creatures assailed by rabies. I've never heard of it being applied to chemical aversion to water, but it would most certainly be done allegorically.

What makes you think homophobia has to refer to fear?

Heh. Etymology?

"Those damn gays!"
"Those damn homophobes!"

This thread is hilarious.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

As far as I know, Hydrophobia is the aversion to ingestion of fluids because of the pain caused by the infection in the throat of creatures assailed by rabies. I've never heard of it being applied to chemical aversion to water, but it would most certainly be done allegorically.

No, hydrophobia is definitely the technical term for molecules which, due to their non-polar nature, have an aversion to water. Hydrophilia is the inverse.

Hydrophobia.

[GoreBag]

Like I said, it's being applied to chemistry allegorically.

[Vuk]

And let me say that putting some kids on the "gay" boat or whatever the original poster was refering to isnt going to make them gay, because no one can be made gay. You are or you arent.

Wrong. That is one of the reasons I dislike the prison system. One of my best friends in highschool commited a crime that was punished with time in prison. He had a girlfriend and was always talking about naked women. He was on the football team and was kinda a whore, but he was as straight as you can get. He went to prison and was raped by homosexuals countless times and when he got out his mind was warpped. He is in jail now for molesting a little boy. That is also one of the reasons I devoted my life to criminal research. Don't tell me that someone can't be made gay. All they need is to have their minds twisted and go insain, like my friend, or to have a gay rolemodel they look up to, or to have their family and friends want them to be, or to think it is kewl, or enlightened, or whatever. People can to be made gay.

[AntiochusIII]

Wrong. That is one of the reasons I dislike the prison system. One of my best friends in highschool commited a crime that was punished with time in prison. He had a girlfriend and was always talking about naked women. He was on the football team and was kinda a whore, but he was as straight as you can get. He went to prison and was raped by homosexuals countless times and when he got out his mind was warpped. He is in jail now for molesting a little boy. That is also one of the reasons I devoted my life to criminal research. Don't tell me that someone can't be made gay. All they need is to have their minds twisted and go insain, like my friend, or to have a gay rolemodel they look up to, or to have their family and friends want them to be, or to think it is kewl, or enlightened, or whatever. People can to be made gay.

You do realize, of course, that "one of my best friends..." is one of the most committed BS tactic in the entire Interweb, bar none.

"I have a gay brother, but!"

"I have a Mexican best friend, but!"

"My mother-in-law is a Muslim, but!"

...

And just to mention, Prince of the Poodles identify himself here as a homosexual. I think he is a far stronger authority in what actually goes on inside "those evilz gays" (yeah...) head than you or many of us here are.

[Del Arroyo]

And just to mention, Prince of the Poodles identify himself here as a homosexual. I think he is a far stronger authority in what actually goes on inside "those evilz gays" (yeah...) head than you or many of us here are.

Well, we have him on the record here taking exagerated offense to something that should be common sense. Who cares if people don't trust you because you're gay? If you set one foot outside this country people won't trust you because you're a gringo...

[Prince of the Poodles]

Wrong. That is one of the reasons I dislike the prison system. One of my best friends in highschool commited a crime that was punished with time in prison. He had a girlfriend and was always talking about naked women. He was on the football team and was kinda a whore, but he was as straight as you can get. He went to prison and was raped by homosexuals countless times and when he got out his mind was warpped. He is in jail now for molesting a little boy. That is also one of the reasons I devoted my life to criminal research. Don't tell me that someone can't be made gay. All they need is to have their minds twisted and go insain, like my friend, or to have a gay rolemodel they look up to, or to have their family and friends want them to be, or to think it is kewl, or enlightened, or whatever. People can to be made gay.

Homosexuality can be practiced in many situations by people who are not actually homosexuals.

In prison, for example, homosexuality is practiced as both a forced alternative for women and as a dominance mechanism. I would hypothesize that 90-95% of people who either willingly or forcefully committed homosexual acts in prison still retained their hetero preference after being released.

Thats not to say there arent gay people in prison, but those who are straight when they go in are straight when they come out, regardless of what they did in desperation.

As for your friend, his recent issues with paedophilia indicate far deeper pathological and/or psychological issues that have nothing to do with prison.


Again, a person cannot be turned into a homosexual. People, in situations of duress, can commit homosexual acts, but that does not change their fundamental preference.

If people's sexuality could be changed, why has homosexuality persisted throughout the ages, until recently being a criminal offence in even Western Society? Do you think its fun being ostracized from most of society?

We live in an undoubtedly straight society. If sexuality was subject to influence, where are all these gay people coming from?

[GoreBag]

Do you think its fun being ostracized from most of society?

Eh, you get by.

[Tribesman]

If you set one foot outside this country people won't trust you because you're a gringo...

Hmmmm ........ is that a very very big country you live in or a very small world ?
Alternatively is that a big victim complex you have ?