Big Cohens big gay boatride for 11 year olds.

[Fragony]

Ok, regardless of how you think of gayparades, whatever the hell it is it's good for, we are taking it a little bit further here in lalaland.

Ok, amsterdams great leader weakknee cohen gave the go for an extra boat for gays for the innocent ages this year, 11 to 14, who already know they are gay. Hmmmm, the pro-childrape lobby's can once again be proud of theirselves, I am sure it will be a fest afterwards with plenty shredding. Arent we (well they) really pushing these kids into a direction here? Children of that age can be a bit bisexual, that is normal, now we tell them they are really gay.

This sick or what?

[Banquo's Ghost]

I'll let this one stay for now because I think there's a point in there somewhere.

Let's ensure we discuss whatever it is without bashing minorities or other people's views.

[Watchman]

...no, can't say I've yet noticed much of a point. Perhaps someone could elaborate ?

[Fragony]

...no, can't say I've yet noticed much of a point.

I personally think you are being clueless in the first degree here, if not elaborating probably would be a total waste of perfectly fine nutrition.

[Watchman]

The OP seems to be implying quite a lot. I'd personally prefer to see it spelled straight rather than having to try guessing what you actually want to say.

[Banquo's Ghost]

...no, can't say I've yet noticed much of a point. Perhaps someone could elaborate ?

Well, Fragony can speak for himself, but I think the points for discussion might be:

At what age, and by what methods, should we introduce children to the variations in sexuality that they may experience in their own development and the wider world? Is such an introduction desirable?

[Fragony]

The OP seems to be implying quite a lot. I'd personally prefer to see it spelled straight rather than having to try guessing what you actually want to say.

If you can read Ecco Homo I should provide little challenge. EDIT BG.

A 11 year old child cannot know he's gay, maybe some do but most don't. It is normal that young kids are a bit insecure by their sexual identity, and that is being played upon here. They are basicly told they are gay, when that is a great uncertainty. That, and I find it sick am sich that 11 year olds are exposed to something like a gay parade but that's just me.

[Stig]

It's sick yes, but let's not blame Cohen, yes he gave the final go, but don't think he looked into it himself, he's the mayor.

[Watchman]

If you can read Ecco Homo I should provide little challenge. EDIT BG.

A 11 year old child cannot know he's gay, maybe some do but most don't. It is normal that young kids are a bit insecure by their sexual identity, and that is being played upon here. They are basicly told they are gay, when that is a great uncertainty. That, and I find it sick am sich that 11 year olds are exposed to something like a gay parade but that's just me.

Your rank homophobia has been duly noted.

Personally I very much doubt if you can "make" someone to be gay, which seems to be what is being suggested here. Rather, if there's reason to assume the kids have homosexual leanings isn't it just a good thing to properly inform them about the ins and outs of it before they hit the really troublesome puberty stage ? The ones who then really do swing that way ought to then end up more comfortable with themselves, sparing the world a fair lot of unnecessary teen angst, whereas those whose ambivalency ultimately leans more on the "straight" side come off with a better understanding of the matter and otherwise go about their lives in the normal fashion.

But really, I'd like to have a bit more hard information to go by about this whole topic. What's this "boat" talk mean in practice anyway ? Who are these "they" who "know [these kids] are gay" ? The children themselves ? Their parents ? Child psychiatrists ? Who ?

The lack of any and all real data provided on what's this really all about and the relevant circumstances and actors has thus far been fairly complete, by what I can see. And I dunno about you, but I dislike fumbling around in the dark.

[Fragony]

But really, I'd like to have a bit more hard information to go by about this whole topic. What's this "boat" talk mean in practice anyway ? Who are these "they" who "know [these kids] are gay" ? The children themselves ? Their parents ? Child psychiatrists ? Who ?

They are they,



I wouldn't exactly call this babystepping your way into sexual maturity.

[Idaho]

If some kids want to get on a float and dance about or get dressed up - so what? I don't think this will "make them gay" and I don't think it will may them targets for abuse. Some of them may well be gay, so may not. What does it matter?

[BDC]

They let 11 year olds into religious services without too much worrying. How is that any different from this? Well, usually with more clothes.

I still wouldn't let any child I was responsible for go on a boat with a bunch of nearly-naked men. It's asking for issues.

[Watchman]

They are they,



I wouldn't exactly call this babystepping your way into sexual maturity.

Thanks for nothing. I can get that much without asking right fine, thankyouverymuch.

Don't you have some sort of article around you could link or something ? This whole discussion is kind of lacking any solid ground to build on at the moment you know.

[Stig]

12 o'clock news:
They won't be as naked as the older gays.
Parents will accompany them.
Cohen didn't even want it.

[Fragony]

Thanks for nothing. I can get that much without asking right fine, thankyouverymuch.

You must be mighty finelooking then.

[Watchman]

I was really referring to the nonexistent information content, but yes, I have been described as handsome.

[Fragony]

My bad, been living here for too long

Got article for you here but I doubt it would be of much use for you, it's in dutch.

http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/laatst...315/index.html

[Watchman]

Got article for you here but I doubt it would be of much use for you, it's in dutch.

http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/laatst...315/index.html

No thank you, I'm driving.

Seriously now. I've like el zippo nada idea of the facts and circumstances surrounding the topic, and for the time being you seem to be the only one who could rectify the situation. So Who, What, Where ?

[Stig]

Important things in that article:
A 14 year old came with the idea himselfs.
The mayor didn't want to allow it till parents said they would come with their children.

[Hosakawa Tito]

I'll step in for Greg on this one. "Whatever floats your boat."

[Fragony]

Important things in that article:
A 14 year old came with the idea himselfs.

How convenient for 'homo-organisatie COC, dat het plan steunde'

[Watchman]

14 sounds like the age where not a few kids start becoming interested in the other sex, you know. Or, well, the same sex in this case.

Oughta result in some personal anxiety during phys ed in school.

[Banquo's Ghost]

How convenient for 'homo-organisatie COC, dat het plan steunde'

I'd appreciate it if we kept the discussion of a contentious issue like this one in English.

Otherwise I'll have to lock it in case there is something offensive being written that I can't read.

[Stig]

I'll translate:
How convenient for 'homo-organization COC, who supported the idea'

[CrossLOPER]

ITT homophobia.

[Adrian II]

I'd appreciate it if we kept the discussion of a contentious issue like this one in English.

Otherwise I'll have to lock it in case there is something offensive being written that I can't read.

There hasn't been, rest assured.

But the original post was mistaken in that the mayor opposed the float until he was given assurances by parents that they would accompany their children on it.

Nothing wrong with that. If 16-year-old heterosexual kids are allowed to 'flaunt their stuff' under parental guidance in (school) disco's, tv programs and other public spaces, why shouldn't gay kids do the same, provided they have parental guidance as well?

[Banquo's Ghost]

Thank you, Adrian and Stig.

I didn't think what had been written was bad, just that if people replied in Dutch I wouldn't be sure where the conversation was going.

[BDC]

Well you wouldn't be too keen to take your 14 year old daughter on a boat with a bunch of nearly naked straight men would you? Even if you were there.

[Fragony]

Nothing wrong with that. If 16-year-old heterosexual kids are allowed to 'flaunt their stuff' under parental guidance in (school) disco's, tv programs and other public spaces, why shouldn't gay kids do the same, provided they have parental guidance as well?

Firstly because they are 11, if you tell them they are borderline they will also believe it. If these kids are gay they will eventually be sure of that, but not at the age of 11. It's not a stage that is provided for them here, they are pushed into a certain direction, and lets not forget the sexually explicite nature of these gay-parade events.

And sorry BG.

[Watchman]

Well you wouldn't be too keen to take your 14 year old daughter on a boat with a bunch of nearly naked straight men would you? Even if you were there.

I wonder if I should tell you about public saunas in Finland...?