Big Cohens big gay boatride for 11 year olds.

[Stig]

13 year old children shouldn't be getting sex ed. Innocent minds do not need that crap.

Innocent at 13? We were already thinking of it when at primary school. Besides if I don't get sex ed before the sex itself how on earth am I to know that I should use a condom and all those sorts of things.

[Major Robert Dump]

When I was 11 I thought was gay because I had the hots for Whoopi Goldberg, then I found out she was a chic and was like "whew!"

[Fisherking]

Whoopi?

I think such a thing points more toward general psychosis than toward any particular sexual proclivity. Humm…and what might one think of sheep? Just a bad joke

As for sexed if we feel it is better for Jr. to find out in class than from the older guys no big deal. But what is the need to teach them about sexual practices that do not lead to reproduction?

If we take it farther than that then it is not education exactly but more political indoctrination. The child will make up his or her own mind much more clearly with out someone nudging them in a particular direction. People who say it is needed would to me have some sort of agenda.

[Tribesman]

But what is the need to teach them about sexual practices that do not lead to reproduction?

Well I could go the simple route and mention contraception since the aim of that is to not lead to reproduction .
Instead I shall take the Slick Willie approach , a blow job isn't sex is it since the intern cannot get pregnant .

But of course I am well out of date on the issue of sex education nowadays , do they have lessons in oral stimulation ?
Back in my day it was simple . Sex is something that you will learn about when you are married , if not you will burn in hell .
Though of course in my opinion it was the bolloxes that would lock people up as mentally deficient if they had not followed the guidelines , use the offspring as slave abour or sell them on to the highest bidder who would burn in hell .
But hey you cannot beat them good old time values can you . Oh how I wish it was just like that today . Just like in the old old wild but not so wild and thouroughly moralistically upstanding west .

BTW Vuk any luck with finding 19th Century American sex crime figures yet ?
You might perhaps have come across the case I mentioned as an example .
Though of course theat would be too easy . perahps the debates on the abolishion of the death penalty for rape might give you an insight about " this horrible scurge that is sweeping our great nation and its territories" or "the abandonment of faith and morals in the west that is a great threat to the nation the churches and our Lords natural order" .

Or perhaps you knew you were talking tripe in the first place but just thought you would throw it in there for a laugh

[Del Arroyo]

Look, there are good and bad gay people, just like there are good and bad straight people.

As far as the converse, no, I don't think I would be particularly thrilled with my (hypothetical) eleven year old children of either gender participating in a sexually explicit parade of any sort. Like, say, Carnaval in Rio. No, no kiddies there, thank you.

[Ser Clegane]

gay people are basically guilty until proven innocent

"Guilty" of what?

[Del Arroyo]

"Guilty" of what?

Used here as a metaphor. What I am saying is that for me gay people are more than normally untrustworthy.

[Tribesman]

Used here as a metaphor. What I am saying is that for me gay people are more than normally untrustworthy.

Absolute bollox , perhaps the issue here might be your own sexuality .
Hmmmm feeling slightly haggard about poofs eh ?

[Prince of the Poodles]

Look, there are good and bad gay people, just like there are good and bad straight people. But my personal experiences have led me to the conclusion that gay people are basically guilty until proven innocent.

gay people are more than normally untrustworthy.

You really know how to make a person feel like ****.

What the hell? Is this allowed?

How does someone's sexuality affect.... well, anything but who they are attracted to?



And let me say that putting some kids on the "gay" boat or whatever the original poster was refering to isnt going to make them gay, because no one can be made gay. You are or you arent.

[Fisherking]

There are loads of oddballs in this world, and being homosexual doesn't have any bearing on weirdness. Who the heck cares about someone else's sexual habits unless someone is coming on to you…then make your choice.

I will say that I see trying to recruit young boys and tell them they are gay is a matter of self interest and trying to expand the pool of potential partners.


Now just for Tribesman: I will say that Ancient Ireland may have had the most liberated and healthy views of sex I have read about anywhere…before the Church got there anyway.

[Banquo's Ghost]

You really know how to make a person feel like ****.

What the hell? Is this allowed?

How does someone's sexuality affect.... well, anything but who they are attracted to?
.

Del Arroyo was expressing his viewpoint. You will notice that Ser Clegane was asking for clarification.

It's allowed so far because whilst a generalisation (and in my view without merit) Del is entitled to express his views as long as he doesn't step over the line of deliberate insult.

Some may think he has - I guess we're trying to allow him to speak for himself and others to challenge those views. We try not to censor if it can be avoided, and the language used so far, whilst controversial, is not entirely inflammatory.

[Husar]

How does someone's sexuality affect.... well, anything but who they are attracted to?

Theoretically that is the way it is, but there are quite a few gay guys which behave a bit "girlish" making their sexual orientation obvious. Since that effectively makes them different from straight men and stand out in the crowd, it easily leads to generalisations and stereotypes of which I cannot tell whether they're true since so far I haven't come along anyone of whom I know that he is gay and does not behave like this.

Just my observation so far.

[Vuk]

And let me say that putting some kids on the "gay" boat or whatever the original poster was refering to isnt going to make them gay, because no one can be made gay. You are or you arent.

Wrong. That is one of the reasons I dislike the prison system. One of my best friends in highschool commited a crime that was punished with time in prison. He had a girlfriend and was always talking about naked women. He was on the football team and was kinda a whore, but he was as straight as you can get. He went to prison and was raped by homosexuals countless times and when he got out his mind was warpped. He is in jail now for molesting a little boy. That is also one of the reasons I devoted my life to criminal research. Don't tell me that someone can't be made gay. All they need is to have their minds twisted and go insain, like my friend, or to have a gay rolemodel they look up to, or to have their family and friends want them to be, or to think it is kewl, or enlightened, or whatever. People can to be made gay.

[ajaxfetish]

As for sexed if we feel it is better for Jr. to find out in class than from the older guys no big deal. But what is the need to teach them about sexual practices that do not lead to reproduction?

If we take it farther than that then it is not education exactly but more political indoctrination. The child will make up his or her own mind much more clearly with out someone nudging them in a particular direction. People who say it is needed would to me have some sort of agenda.

Because reproduction is not the only effect of sex on society. Besides the points Tribesman brought up, think about STD's for example. They're not only dangerous to couples engaging in heterosexual sex.

Ajax

[AntiochusIII]

Reading this thread makes me want to go gay and join the party just to piss the homophobes off; but, you see, I don't find men's butt and the weapon in the front very interesting.

Can anyone give me a sex change so I can be a girl and go gay with that?

[Louis VI the Fat]

How many movies, books, what not aren't there about thirteen year old heterosexual kids falling in love for the first time, stealing a kiss, taking a quick peek at each other?
Our society is full of 14, 15, 16 year olds exploring their straight sexuality.

Yet, when some non-hetero teens take their first tentative steps towards a sex life everybody is all over it? They can't have a sex-life? Unlike straight kids they must wait or something? Gah, I say!

Go kids and I hope they meet some attractive significant others during their cruise with which to explore their emerging sexuality with - preferably right there and then on the boat.

[Adrian II]

Go kids and I hope they meet some attractive significant others during their cruise with which to explore their emerging sexuality with - preferably right there and then on the boat.

Well put, consigliere. Speaking of which, one of my first 'experiences' occurred on a boat when I was 15. Very, um, inspiring. It wasn't part of a parade, but it sure felt as if I was at the centre of one.