Please Help

**Roman_Man#3** · 02-10-2007, 16:46

Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot

There is a blue face on the city on the strategy map. Now is the time to take preliminary action. Build buildings that have a positive effect on public order and draft in a few more troops to keep the order on yellow.
There is a red face on the city on strategy map. Now is the time to take urgent action. Lower the tax rate and bring in some troops.
There is a red face and next to it is a pitchfork surrounded by fire. In this case get in as many troops as possible into the province. Try to maintain order by lowering the tax rate as far as possible and drafting in as many troops as you can. If you can't hold it then just abandon it and attack it again later. Then you can exterminate the place.

Good luck with your rebellions!

I find the need to take action while it is at blue quite unnecessary. The public order would be around 80-90%, and you are quite far from rebellion or revolt. If it goes from Green to blue in one fell swoop, check if there is a spy in there from another faction. They lower public order. If there isn't, do as Omanes does and build buildings that increase public order, train some peasants(I personally don't like peasants, but they make good garrison units in a pinch.)

If it red, you are probably from 70-80%. Still no need to worry, as a revolt starts at 65%, but you might want to train a few extra garrison units, and get a good manager in there.

I have noticed though, sometimes if you are at a rebellious stage, or very close, and you destroy a high level religious(?) building of another faction, the order will go down alot. So wait until the rebellion has cooled over before destroying the religious building.

Goog luck.
RM3

ps. if that sounds like I am saying that what omanes said is stoopid, because it is not, I am sorry. I just had to add my two cents.

**Omanes Alexandrapolites** · 02-10-2007, 17:18

Hi,
I always take action on "blue" due to the fact that the city will be growing and squalor will be going up. This combined with other factors can cause a city to go from blue to red and rioting within two turns. The sooner you act - the better, especially if the city is large sized.

Originally Posted by Meghas Alexandros

...train some peasants...

I am sorry to say that I disagree. In Barbarian Invasion peasants are the one of the worst possible garrison troops as they have the least effect on public order due to the "peasant" attribute. Unfortunately, this causes them to have about half the effect on public order than other non-peasant units. Cheers!

**Roman_Man#3** · 02-10-2007, 19:17

Oh, I didn't realize he was playing BI.

**Severous** · 02-10-2007, 20:06

Hello Loyqe welcome to the forum and to BI.

Is this one of your first games of RTW ? If so you have picked a faction with some of the most powerful troops...the Sassinads Immortals. They really kick butt. Good choice.

However...you have a really tricky problem. Antioch is Christian and with a very big population as well. You want to convert it. If you follow the advice above it will convert...but not before you have riots and rebellions. Its a real tough one.

Sassinad were my previous campaign. The sequence I followed was:
- capture then exterminate the population
- build execution sq
- whilst execution sq is building recruit big manpower units. Expand garrison quickly.
- Once the execution sq was done the unrest in the town will have dropped for three reasons 1) Execution Sq 2) Time has passed since capture 3) Bigger garrison
- Then Demolish Christian church and build your best shrine/temple in its place.

This screenshot was made up of the various factors to consider.

In summary you have to delay conversion a short while whilst you get public order under control. Especially on very hard difficulty.

Good luck

**lottrbacchus** · 02-10-2007, 20:19

i read somewhere that peasants were still the cheapest public order units in b.i. even with the peasant attribute? i'm not playing b.i. till i get bored of vanilla, so..

here's my take on destroying temples and other buildings from the other culture:
i rarely destroy the existing temple when i first take a city. in fact, it is usually the last to go. why? because i usually exterminate the population so the place isn't going to make it to the next level of city for quite a while so their temple usually gives quite a good public order bonus while only representing 1 building for cultural difference.

you can't upgrade the governor's house, farms, roads or mines until you build the population to bigger than it was when you take it, so those are all also cultural penalties. so i destroy all the other buildings and then start building up troop production buildings (archery ranges, stables, etc) so they can begin countering the cultural effect while i still get the bonus from the existing temple.

since you can only build one building at a time, what is the point of taking out something that might give you, say, a +20 public order with the same cultural penalty that a stables would?

**Omanes Alexandrapolites** · 02-10-2007, 21:47

Hi lottrbacchus,

I destroy the other religious building when my faction's religion is different from it, because it provides an awful 15% penalty. It unfortunately adds +5% to religious unrest due to the governor having a different religion and +10% to religious unrest because the faction leader has a different religion. If you destroy it then the city instantly becomes unhappy as the governor's/faction leader's religion, which is different to the whole of the cities population, becomes the official religion. Riots will most certainly start, but it is worth it once you have finished. Once the whole city is converted it makes the city much easier to control - you still get good temple bonuses and you lose 15% unrest at the same time. You also lose all the nasty unrest that was gained from destroying the original temple building and help border provinces convert to your faith too. This can cause large amounts of unrest in bordering enemy provinces and reduction in "heretical" unrest causing faith in yours. I hope this help you. Cheers!