Question about roman names

**Maeran** · 03-25-2007, 18:34

Originally Posted by Sheep

What I would like to know is what is with the Cornelii fetish? :D Three out of five of the original Roman characters are Cornelii (Cnaeus Cornelius Blasius, Cnaeus [Cornelius] Scipio Asina, and Lucius Cornelius Scipio... the latter two were brothers). Did some mnai exchange hands or something? Hehehe

The Cornelii were one of the more influential gens at the time. They were generally, but I imagine that at others you'd be seeing Fabii or Aemilii.

If there's any donkey work to do with the Roman names, I'd be happy to help. I have no modding skills but I can type.

**Zaknafien** · 03-25-2007, 18:36

well, over 30% of all consuls in the Republic were of the gens Cornelli. They were a little bit influencial, you might say.

**Sheep** · 03-26-2007, 03:48

well, over 30% of all consuls in the Republic were of the gens Cornelli. They were a little bit influencial, you might say.

Oh yeah, totally. It's just that SIXTY percent of the starting characters are Cornelii and there are other heroic names floating around at the same time that maybe might be nice to give a little variety.

My number one suggestion would be Marcus Atilius Regulus, who was consul in 267 and 256, won victories in Calabria, Sicily, and Africa, and became a Roman martyr when he was captured and supposedly murdered by the Carthies in 250 after losing the Battle of Tunis. This was a pretty important family in the 3rd century also... his father Marcus was consul in 294, his son Marcus was consul in 227 and 217, and his other son Gaius was consul in 225. I think there was a brother or uncle also named Gaius who was consul in 257 and 250. Not too shabby of a resume if you ask me (not that you did). Maybe he could replace the seemingly less important Blasio (not that I know anything about Blasio)?

Just a thought, of course I know you have many more important things to deal with, and I can honestly just mod this in myself anyway.

**Zaknafien** · 03-26-2007, 03:53

well EB tries to as closely portray the starting position in 272 BCE. Nothing says that Regulus would be consul in 267 in your game. If the starting date was 267, then he'd probably be included.

**Sheep** · 03-26-2007, 04:19

Originally Posted by Zaknafien

well EB tries to as closely portray the starting position in 272 BCE. Nothing says that Regulus would be consul in 267 in your game. If the starting date was 267, then he'd probably be included.

Okay well dude, Blasio wasn't consul until 270 either. I'm assuming Blasio was praetor in 272, since he has that office at the start of the game. I don't know what office Regulus had in 272, but I'd imagine he was something if he was consul just 5 years later. In fact, the consuls in 272 were Lucius Papirius Cursor and Spurius Carvilius Maximus. Where are they? I'm not truly asking that, my point is that EB didn't pick people who were consuls in 272, they just picked people who either had power at the time or would have power shortly after, so that you could build on that. Which is totally fine. Pick anyone as long as it's accurate, which it is. I'm not saying they are wrong to pick Blasio, I'm simply suggesting another option because of a personal preference.

Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

Maybe they were consuls very near our start date or something like that. I don't remember the exact internal discussions we had, but we set up short histories of most of the men who could be considered as generals in 272 for the Romani, and had an informal poll on it I believe.

It's cool, just throwing it out there. I've already played my Romani campaign long enough to where Blasio is long dead and his adopted son has risen to become my princeps, so obviously I don't care THAT much. Like I said, if it starts to, I can just do some "quick" modding.

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 03-26-2007, 03:55

Maybe they were consuls very near our start date or something like that. I don't remember the exact internal discussions we had, but we set up short histories of most of the men who could be considered as generals in 272 for the Romani, and had an informal poll on it I believe.

**Atilius** · 03-26-2007, 04:54

Originally Posted by Sheep

My number one suggestion would be Marcus Atilius Regulus, who was consul in 267 and 256, won victories in Calabria, Sicily, and Africa, and became a Roman martyr when he was captured and supposedly murdered by the Carthies in 250 after losing the Battle of Tunis. This was a pretty important family in the 3rd century also... his father Marcus was consul in 294, his son Marcus was consul in 227 and 217, and his other son Gaius was consul in 225. I think there was a brother or uncle also named Gaius who was consul in 257 and 250. Not too shabby of a resume if you ask me (not that you did). Maybe he could replace the seemingly less important Blasio (not that I know anything about Blasio)?

Fun fact from our internal notes:

Caius Atilius Regulus (consul in 225) commanded at Telamon. He was killed and his head presented to the Gallic king.

The Atilius issue is clearly a very important to our players. We should adopt this suggestion immediately. ;)

**M Porcius Cato** · 09-29-2007, 01:43

Love the EB mod, but I'd like to limit the number of nomina and cognomina that show up in the game. For example, if I detest the Julii and only want to see Cornelii, Fabii, Aemilii, Junii, Valerii, etc, what files to do I have to fix?

**Cheexsta** · 09-30-2007, 04:01

Love the EB mod, but I'd like to limit the number of nomina and cognomina that show up in the game. For example, if I detest the Julii and only want to see Cornelii, Fabii, Aemilii, Junii, Valerii, etc, what files to do I have to fix?

RTW\EB\Data\descr_names.txt

RTW\EB\Data\text\names.txt

Make sure any names you have changed or removed are not used by any starting characters in RTW\EB\Data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign\descr_strat.txt (remember to delete map.rwm) or you WILL get an error-less CTD on campaign start.

For my own Roman campaign I made an adaptation of the RTR Cognomen mod just to get rid of the wrong naming convention currently in EB. Took only about half an hour of work, maybe a little more. The biggest problem with this system is the addition of epthets through traits, such as Africanus, Gallicus and so on as they would replace both the gens and the cognomen.

In theory, one could completely regulate character names (including first names, if you want to get technical enough) through traits, though that would require an unbelievable amount of work.

I'll be interested to see what kind of solution the EB team will be using for their next release...

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 09-30-2007, 04:17

Those guys have been hard at work, underneath the hood. I don't know what they did, but they did something crazy to it. Probably sacrificed some chickens or something if I know them. I don't think that problem exists anymore, but I haven't tested out a Roman game in the newer builds either.