The Iberian tank units (whatever theyre called) and the cycles of dom etc.

[HumphreysCraig00]

First off 3 questions about the lusotanian tank units (armoured shock infantry) cant remember theyre name :(

1 What evidence of them do you have as they are really interesting to me (partially because Im a believer that more armour = better if you have to fight) and I would like to read it if it is readily available.

2 Are the Dark/Black warriors who are armed pretty much in the same way the same unit just the celts called them one thing and the iberians called them another?

3 Is the tract which is still being translated that is mentioned in the black warrior description available to read as again im interested in reading it.



And the cycle of Dom and the other cycles (theres at least one more mentioned in the game ive inly seen it thrice though), what are they?

Thanks for any answers

[Aranor]

First off 3 questions about the lusotanian tank units (armoured shock infantry) cant remember theyre name :(

1 What evidence of them do you have as they are really interesting to me (partially because Im a believer that more armour = better if you have to fight) and I would like to read it if it is readily available.

2 Are the Dark/Black warriors who are armed pretty much in the same way the same unit just the celts called them one thing and the iberians called them another?

3 Is the tract which is still being translated that is mentioned in the black warrior description available to read as again im interested in reading it.



And the cycle of Dom and the other cycles (theres at least one more mentioned in the game ive inly seen it thrice though), what are they?

Thanks for any answers

Dont quote me on this as Im not an expert, but I'm pretty sure I saw it on these forums a while back. The Cycle of Dom, and the other used by EB are Druidic accounts of Celtic history. Again dont quote me, I would be happy for anyone to correct me on this, as its been ages since I saw that thread and I'll be damned if I can remember what it was.

[pezhetairoi]

Darn, it'd be a wonderful thing if someone knew if these Cycles were published textually. I would like to collect them and keep them in a set and read one every night. It'd make a wonderful addition to my history library.

[soibean]

Id love to read them as well

[Orb]

Darn, it'd be a wonderful thing if someone knew if these Cycles were published textually. I would like to collect them and keep them in a set and read one every night. It'd make a wonderful addition to my history library.

Orb too!

[Mithradates VI]

Orb too!

Another comment from the Peanut gallery in favor of acquiring these texts, from the Illustrious King of Pontos, Mithradates.

[Imperator]

so if they haven't been published, how does EB have them?
do we have some Celtic translators on the team?

[HumphreysCraig00]

I dont know for sure who is on the team but I know there are a alot of serious history buff types and at least 1 proper archeologist.

But yes they have at least worked with a celtic translator so there may be one on the team.

[Foot]

Ranika was the master of all things celtic (particularly on the british isles), but currently he is on a much deserved break. Thankfully we have his cousin Anthony who is of equally mastery of Ranika (as far as I can tell), and worked with the Lusotannan team to rebuild their a suitable language for them.

Foot

[Julian the apostate]

i would like to second or third (or watever number were on) the glory of the cycles and hope that they get put up textually at some point. Thank you EB

[Antagonist]

I wondered about this also. I have often heard that Ireland is archaeologically underexcavated/reported and that there are big important sites and backlogs of transcribed literature etc. which have yet to be excavated/reported/translated etc. but I never heard of anything like these cycles before.

The "tank" unit is cool too, I remember the description said something about a partially-intact suit of such armour being found somewhere, any info about that?

Antagonist

[Taliferno]

I wondered about this also. I have often heard that Ireland is archaeologically underexcavated/reported and that there are big important sites and backlogs of transcribed literature etc. which have yet to be excavated/reported/translated etc. but I never heard of anything like these cycles before.

The "tank" unit is cool too, I remember the description said something about a partially-intact suit of such armour being found somewhere, any info about that?

Antagonist

As an Irish Archaeologist it could be up till ten years before we get an excavation report on that particular site, expecially if the site was discovered as part of a pipeline or road building project. You also probably won't even get an article in an archaeological magazine as it would be against the law to give information on the location of the site. Ireland is known for not getting excavation reports out, in years past because there wasn't enough archaeologists, nowadays because theres to much field work to do with a deadline on it.

I have heard that the first batch of excavation reports (some from ten years ago) from the various companies is going to be released late this year or next year, but I wouldn't count on it.

The cycles were probably in the hands of some private collector for ages (or even generations) before a University got hold of em. Theres a few instances of a monestry or two also having 'secret' literature that hasn't been translated simpily because the are distrustful of outsiders (especially English ones) ot they are unaware of their significance.

[Brightblade]

Irish archaeology.. sounds like it includes lots, and lots of beer!!

[Fondor_Yards]

Irish archaeology.. sounds like it includes lots, and lots of beer!!

No wonder it takes forever to get done!

[Anthony]

I'm not at all a professional like Ran, I don't where a lot of those things come from and can't give a satisfactory answer. He, at a point, mostly speciailized in obscure texts. There is, I can say, a vast deal of Irish literature that is not translated at all. As Taliferno said, really. You just have a lot of people who have it in private collections as a kind of curiousity, universities that simply haven't gotten around to it, and monastic libraries, which are packed to the gills with these things, and, either due to a lack of time, interest, or understanding the importance, simply never translate them. There's some big interest I hear because a book on native Irish cosmology is finally getting attention, mainly because it is a seperate form of astrology from Greek and eastern systems, and may provide a more clear glimpse of how Celtic people handled astrology (we know very little of their astrology before Irish monks began favoring Greek works on the subject), which, by proxy, helps one to understand their culture better. It's kind of funny really, a lot of archaeologists and linguists and such complain about the lack of materials to work with for X culture. I've rarely heard others actually complain about having too much material, except for those maybe working on the Greek and Roman classics, which also has a lot of untranslated material.

And, like Taliferno said, there's just problems with dealing with archaeological sites. It's not at all confined to Ireland, though Ireland does have a very large number of them that aren't really dealt with until years and years after initially being found, and then there's the number of archaeologists actually in the particular field (though I think that's becoming less of a problem, but not sure). Examples outside of Ireland though would be places like China, where it is very hard to get into some sites or study certain things (like the Tocharian mummies) for various reasons.

[keravnos]

First off 3 questions about the lusotanian tank units (armoured shock infantry) cant remember theyre name :(

1 What evidence of them do you have as they are really interesting to me (partially because Im a believer that more armour = better if you have to fight) and I would like to read it if it is readily available.

Seems that the Hoplites of Emporion fought them and some lived to tell about it. I quote our Lusotannan expert. He can give you more info.

2 Are the Dark/Black warriors who are armed pretty much in the same way the same unit just the celts called them one thing and the iberians called them another?

Well there ARE subtle differences. Check their legs for more. They are unarmored. I needn't say that Dosidataskeli are my favorite Lusotannan, with Ambakaro Epones running close second.