EB Unit Development Art

[Redmeth]

You really should incorporate some of Caratacos' art into some loading screens because I've learned the Calawre, Cingetos and Cohors Reformata ones by heart. And I think these types of loading screens, the ones describing the units and their equipment in depth are the best. Not that I have something against the ones made up of maps
And more quotes would also be great, the Celtic ones from the "Cycles" are just awesome.

[keravnos]

You really should incorporate some of Caratacos' art into some loading screens because I've learned the Calawre, Cingetos and Cohors Reformata ones by heart. And I think these types of loading screens, the ones describing the units and their equipment in depth are the best. Not that I have something against the ones made up of maps
And more quotes would also be great, the Celtic ones from the "Cycles" are just awesome.

Let's just say we think along the same lines...

[Caratacos]

Meanwhile...

Someone asked to see my sketches aways back... so here's a progression of how things work... sort of...

Saka Elite/Heavy Cataphract:

... and then colour (abviously)

As you can see there were a few changes-- mainly to the horse armour.

Hayasdan General:



I wasn't vey happy with the horse in this one. I still aren't but it does look a helluva lot better than the orignal (as you can no doubt see).... ughhhh

Pontos General:



This one actually had pretty much been designed (after a very lengthy discussion) and didn't require any real changes in design-- Thanks again, Dave .

Unfortunately as I have other commitments and do this in my spare time they were a little bit too rushed for my liking. If I could redo them I'd definitely tidy up the scale armour a bit (particularly the Pontos Gen.).

So yeah... they start off really ugly and then I sort of hammer out most (not all) of the ugly bits until i'm happy (though never totally happy) with them.

[Miles Sueborum]

Excellent work - all of the immages.
Have you ever thought about making some faction based wallpapers using these? The wallpapers I tried to do aren't much more than bad jokes ^^

But I got a question: Were do I find a complete immage of that Gaestatae holding the head of a former enemy in his left?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

That image was removed and is no longer available.

[pezhetairoi]

Censorship, y'know, for those who can't take a guy waving a piece of flesh. And I don't mean the head.

...Well, maybe I do, just a different sort, wot?

Too bad there's no modesty patch for this, I would've liked that Gaesatae on my desktop.

[Miles Sueborum]

What a pity - and it is really not aviable anymore? Not even on sides the EB-Team isn't responsible for and couldn't be harmed for a picture showing a naked "Barbarian"? ^^

[HFox]

OK

Whats the difference between the unit art....and michael angelos david. Both are unashamed, art, historical, not in anyway pornographic or 'silly'. Next thing we'll have to cover up any naked knees shown in the unit art!

Sorry but this type of pithyness is a load of bollocks....in both senses :).

I vote for his reinstatement.....bollocks to the prissy brigade!!

[Wolfman]

What does a knee have to do with a willy? I agree with you in terms of historical accuracy since these warriors fought in the nude or close to it. The original way the EB team posted the picture was in a spoiler so anybody could choose whether they wanted to see the picture or not. I think that this way was fair.

[Orb]

Not going to happen.

The spoiler didn't work on the TWC, we knew we were taking a risk in putting it up, there were complaints, so we, as a courtesy, withdrew the image. Perhaps, and I'm not sure about this, we could give the image by pm to someone who requested it.

We'll see.

[keravnos]

Guys, this mattered has been considered by the team, and decided upon. No use talking about it. If you dislike us for acting this way, it is too bad. I DO believe there are other marvelous things both EB, and Caratacos have shown throughout the time Caratacos has joined our ranks. Absolutely no use talking about this issue because nothing is going to happen.

[Geoffrey S]

Besides, there's no real reason for it not to appear on the official EB site in the future.

[Watchman]

But the audience demands fan service !

[Foot]

Besides, there's no real reason for it not to appear on the official EB site in the future.

It won't be being released to the public. Whilst EB does contain naked fanatics, its not something that we wish to advertise with. Regardless of our own feelings on the matter we must be aware that others do find such images offensive. We won't be changing things on the inside, we assume people have agreed to the past in all its nakedness when playing, but when we advertise EB we must be aware of the public's sentiment when confronted with such pictures.

This is a decision that the entire EB team came to after much deliberation. Comments and complaints had been made, and we decided that it was better to remove the picture than to alienate valued fans. Thats all really. Besides, Caractacos never really liked the anatomy of that figure, it was never supposed to be released to the public.

Foot

[Imperator]

EDIT- oops never mind

[Barbarossa82]

It's a slightly weird commentary on current values that normal, inert male genetalia are regarded as more shocking - and deserving of censorship - than the bleeding, severed head of a recently-killed man.

[NeoSpartan]

I don't understand what the deal is...

The EB team had to deal with the Political Correctnes without getting into trouble so they took out the full Gaestae. Good decition.

Sure, we are all pissed, but thats the way things are and we got to deal with them. EB does not have any political agenda with regards to social constrains, so it does well with steering clear of them.

It would be kind of cool if the whole picture where posted with a long back area covering the genitalia and with the words CENSORED printed in white. THAT WOULD BE FUNNY AS HELL!!!!... maybe put it out as an inside joke for EB memebers and fans.

Anywho... food for thought fellas.....

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Nate posted some great insights above into how he makes the images, and one person responded, and someone brings up that we took down one image a few weeks ago and suddenly there is a flood here? Bah. Drop it. The thing that disappoints me more is that this is more response than his art itself usually gets on this public forum.

[Watchman]

Tells you a bit of peoples' priorities, no ?

...yessir.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Nate posted some great insights above into how he makes the images, and one person responded, and someone brings up that we took down one image a few weeks ago and suddenly there is a flood here? Bah. Drop it. The thing that disappoints me more is that this is more response than his art itself usually gets on this public forum.

Indeed, I'd thought the last "preview" would get more response as well... Apparently not. (*Grins realising the possibility there'll be fans searching everywhere but the right place for it*)

[Geoffrey S]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You mean the Eleutheroi on the homepage? Even if you don't mean that, it looks great, hadn't seen the page before.

[Redmeth]

The unit pages including the Eleutheroi one were updated a while back.
So I heard a preview is coming but where is it c'mon guys I can't learn here i keep hitting F5 and looking around...
Hope it's not the FAQ cause that wouldn't count.

[delablake]

great art you people

and anyway being a general in a EB battle is super cool ....

[The Wicked]

I wish i had your skill Caratacos great great great work....btw have you drawn a macedonian unit yet ? a Pezhetairos.... maybe.. ?

[Foot]

I wish i had your skill Caratacos great great great work....btw have you drawn a macedonian unit yet ? a Pezhetairos.... maybe.. ?

We are using his work as concept art for new units, so he hasn't really drawn any pre-existing units (except when they were to be used solely for sig banners). He won't be drawing a pezhetairoi anytime soon, and I don't think there are any macedonian units on the cards at the moment.

Foot

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Here's a new one from Caratacos! Discuss and enjoy! It hasn't been made yet by the model and texture artists.

[Conqueror]

Badass looking! I especially like the expression on his face, that really breathes life to the picture. But what is this unit, some kind of iranic hillman? Obviously a light skirmisher type.

[Watchman]

Yay, more angry hillmen with axes ! I like those units.

Since the ones around the Iranian plateau and Hindu Kush are already covered (with the Kavkaza and Verkhana Kofyaren), are these guys from somewhere more to the west ? I recall the Pontic opening text referring to "axes of the interior" or something along those lines...

[pezhetairoi]

That is undoubtedly the first axe i've seen in the artwork so far. It chills my blood. :) Swords and spears are getting a bit boring just now...

[LusitanianWolf]

Cool!!!!! Nice work!
How I would like to be able to draw like that!

Since the ones around the Iranian plateau and Hindu Kush are already covered (with the Kavkaza and Verkhana Kofyaren), are these guys from somewhere more to the west ? I recall the Pontic opening text referring to "axes of the interior" or something along those lines...

I would like to see them at Pontus, I've played an little with them an I felt the lack of hillmens...