I know history is doomed to repeat, but quite this quickly?

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So what's different about Hezbollah? When did Hezbollah target the US?

The 1983 Marine Barracks bombing was carried out by Hezbollah and directly funded and approved by Iran.


The rest of your post goes on about some dark conspiracy of Israel and the U.S. wanting to kill Muslims because they are Muslims and the only ones we don't care about killing are those that have oil we want. You go on to claim some generalizations about patriotic Americans and Isolationist ideals. You also ask questions of citizens to admit for the supposed governmental dark conspiracies.

This is all very odd when all I have done is defend fact and not given any political views or patriotic stances. I grew up with many friends from around the world, all of my 5 siblings travelled throughout the middle east. The only country not visited was Iran I believe. They all travelled Europe and South America. Every year we would have new guests from all walks of life and of all religions. A small town (1200 pop) house in the north of Iowa hosted at one time quests who were Muslims, Jews and Orthodox Christian (with our family being Lutheran), just because we enjoyed each others company. I also remember joining the Marine Corps at the age of 17 with all kinds of ideas of our country and how our military might would be best put to use defending the U.S. proper, but also defending its principle by standing up for those that could not stand up for themselves due to brutal and tyrannical regimes (I was an idealist). I remember the day our unit was put on stand by to go to Kuwait because Saddam had once again violated the no fly zone and had positioned troops in the south to basically be an annoyance. I had been following the news closely and had picked up an Issue of Time where they were detailing the horrors in Rwanda. I remember saying to my fire team, "this is where we should be going." The fact we didn't go to do what we could in that region, and later on other regions, while we had a preoccupation on Iraq and partisan politics at home, not to mention a concern over what quasi allies would say, directly made the decision for me not to reenlist.

As far as the relationship between Israel and U.S. is concerned you need to look at the U.N. records and the voting record of the U.S. when concerning Israel. I do not believe there has been a member of the Security Council with a record like ours against Israel. This dates back to 1949 and arms embargo. The progression of the cold war post '62 did see our economic and military aid increase and the reasons are opaque. We voted a number of times against Israel in the UN to this day. I will admit that our language has been much milder since the al-Aqsa intifada which resulted in the most violent period for the region since all out war between Israel and their neighbors.

Now domestically speaking the language in the U.S. is very pro-Israel for the simple reason that a president could not be elected here with a stance of direct opposition to Israel. This is mainly due to the nature of many Christian faiths over here and their relationships to Israel, most notably the fundamental Christians.

And how is that any business of the US? You're not committing the sin of identifying yourself with a foreign country, are you? If you are that much more concerned about the security of Israel than of the US, why don't you go and become a citizen there?

I don't know, most people didn't become citizens of the U.K. or France because we opposed secular fascism. Do we need to become Israeli citizens because we oppose Islamic fascism?

As has been shown with the IRA in the past, the US has historically turned a blind eye to or even supported terrorist organizations that only attack its allies, not itself.

I would genuinely like you to expand on this regarding the IRA and the US, especially genuine views of anyone from GB during that period. Preferably in an open and candid manner and not inflammatory.

What does that mean in practice?

We won't know until we know.


P.S. I'm not of the ruling class despite having a Saudi in my house growing up and I've never received care packages of oil.