Is Milan to Strong?

**Lord Fluffy** · 02-15-2007, 07:59

Originally Posted by Carl

@Sextus: I have, and it's pretty easy to tell when it's a captin as you don't get the portrait or stats so i doubt he's got it wrong.

when you target a stack with a captain, you do get a portrait, unlike generals though you get 2 rows for stat instead of 3 and the name starts with captain. Just rather odd that a general would spawn one right after the other like that and each giving 95% chance to kill.

**ASPER THE GREAT** · 02-15-2007, 14:12

In all the games I have played Eng, Scot, Spain, Milan has always been aggressive. Full stacks running around conquering Hre, Ven, fighting the Pope, Sicily, France... Then there always seems to be a ton of agents running around causing trouble till you wipe them out!!!!!

**Foz** · 02-15-2007, 21:24

Originally Posted by ASPER THE GREAT

In all the games I have played Eng, Scot, Spain, Milan has always been aggressive. Full stacks running around conquering Hre, Ven, fighting the Pope, Sicily, France... Then there always seems to be a ton of agents running around causing trouble till you wipe them out!!!!!

Yeah, the agents are especially annoying. As England, before I had even turned my attention to Scotland (let alone the European mainland) there were 3 or 4 Milanese spies in Caen, and a little bit later there are usually droves of assassins running around whacking away at any and all governors I have in Europe. It's insane, and I haven't yet seen such behavior from the rest of the AI factions. Enough to drive you nuts...

**Musashi** · 02-16-2007, 04:45

Venice is just as powerful a unit lineup as Milan... Their Pavise Crossbows and militia are only slightly less cool than the Genoese ones, and Venetian Heavy Infantry are just

OMG, just made of pure pwnage.

So if Milan is doing better, it must either be more aggressive, or have weaker enemies than Venice...

**Lorenzo_H** · 02-16-2007, 09:16

Does Venice not have Genoese Crossbowmen?

**Musashi** · 02-16-2007, 09:56

No, they have Pavise Crossbowmen/Crossbow Militia. They're the same model more or less, but their stats are slightly lower. They're still awesome though, and the fact that the militia version is perfectly acceptable for all purposes is a huge strength, just like it is for Milan.

Venice's unique infantry are absolutely shockingly good though. Use them to storm walls some time, you'll see what I mean :D

**sbroadbent** · 02-18-2007, 09:03

Originally Posted by Foz

Yeah, the agents are especially annoying. As England, before I had even turned my attention to Scotland (let alone the European mainland) there were 3 or 4 Milanese spies in Caen, and a little bit later there are usually droves of assassins running around whacking away at any and all governors I have in Europe. It's insane, and I haven't yet seen such behavior from the rest of the AI factions. Enough to drive you nuts...

I have seen massive numbers of spies from Milan, but absolutely no assassins (atleast assassins who have either attempted to assassinate or sabotage my buildings (unless all those "natural deaths" were Milan's doing). In my campaign they mostly sent them after Dijon and Marseille which I had previously taken from them. They started going after these territories hard core when I started receiving 65% unrest penalties, threatening to cause those two places to go rebel. I have not seen any other faction so far put so much focus on spies.

I always wondered what that heartbeat I kept hearing when it was showing Milan's turn

**Musashi** · 02-18-2007, 09:57

As a matter of fact, if an assassin succeeds against one of your people, the message you get is "natural death". You only find out about the assassin if he fails and gets caught.

So if you have generals or agents dying suspiciously young, someone is probably using assassins against you.

**pat the magnificent** · 02-18-2007, 13:05

Originally Posted by Musashi

As a matter of fact, if an assassin succeeds against one of your people, the message you get is "natural death". You only find out about the assassin if he fails and gets caught.

So if you have generals or agents dying suspiciously young, someone is probably using assassins against you.

one naturally tends to die when they're stabbed in the heart.

**sapi** · 02-18-2007, 13:10

Originally Posted by Musashi

As a matter of fact, if an assassin succeeds against one of your people, the message you get is "natural death". You only find out about the assassin if he fails and gets caught.

So if you have generals or agents dying suspiciously young, someone is probably using assassins against you.

That makes no sense (but you're probably right)

Stabbing and poisoning would be obvious, wouldn't you think?

**JCoyote** · 02-18-2007, 14:39

Originally Posted by sapi

Stabbing and poisoning would be obvious, wouldn't you think?

Stabbing? Yes. Poisoning back then? No.

Remember, this was an age when the average life expectancy was still often around 35. That's not to say 35 was old, but that many diseases and maladies befell people the killed them often, at any given age.

With many poisons available then, the target would often have just apparently fallen ill and died... tragic, but not uncommon for the time.