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    You have been warned. Cases like this one really make me despair for my species. I guess I'm extra-sensitive since I have little lemurs. Ugh. First the Natascha Kapusch case, and now this? Not a good time to be a young lady in Austria.

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    February 12, 2007

    Mother kept girls locked away from the world for seven years

    Bojan Pancevski in Vienna

    Three girls who were imprisoned by their mother in a house of indescribable filth for seven years may never recover from the ordeal, experts said last night.

    The girls were shut away from the outside world, existing in almost complete darkness, playing only with mice and communicating in their own language.

    When they were discovered, their home in a smart, upper middle-class suburb had no running water and was filled with waste and excrement a metre high. The floor was corroded by mice urine.

    The case has stunned Austria, still reeling from the Natascha Kampusch kidnapping, and the authorities were struggling last night to explain how such a horror story could have gone unnoticed.

    The girls’ ordeal was apparently sparked by their parents’ divorce, after which their mother, a 53-year-old lawyer, suffered a breakdown. But she won custody of the girls — then aged 7, 11 and 13 — and withdrew them from school, claiming that she would give them private tuition at home.

    Her husband, a local judge in Linz, Upper Austria, named only as Andreas M, was not allowed to see them once, despite his claims for access reaching court nine times.

    The girls, Viktoria, Katharina and Elisabeth, were rescued only when police broke into the house after a neighbour, who had reported his suspicions several times, threatened a local council official with a lawsuit.

    Although that was in October 2005, and the three have been in a specialised therapy centre since, the scandal was only revealed at the weekend.

    The mother is now being held in a special remand prison branch for the mentally unstable. She will appear in court in a few weeks on charges of grievous bodily harm and torture, and is facing between five months and five years in prison.

    She had ensured that the blinds were constantly shut, and that all but one light bulb had been removed in the house. When they were released, the three victims had white skin and could not endure exposure to natural light.

    Authorities are now under fire for failing to have intervened sooner, despite repeated complaints by neighbours in the well-to-do Poestlingberg.

    The mother was said to have been summoned to court nine times during the seven years after complaints by the father and neighbours, but officials never found a reason to investigate the case more closely.

    Waltraud Kubelka, a therapist who is now treating the three girls, said that their psycho-social and physical development was “catastrophic”.

    “The oldest one is doing very badly and has no prospects of recovery. She was severely undernourished and practically anorexic after her release. The two younger ones will need years to come to terms with their horrific childhood.

    “In the first weeks after their release they were hiding under a bench in the kitchen [in the therapy centre] because that was the darkest spot. They could not endure light . . . they had not felt sunlight or fresh air for years.”

    It is believed that the children had contact only with their mother during the seven years of captivity and, as a consequence, developed an almost unintelligible language of their own, described as a “singing-like” form of German.

    Even after a year of therapy the oldest daughter, Elisabeth, now 21, is said to be so disturbed that she stands only on one foot for long periods staring at the floor. She often bursts into tears.

    She and her two sisters also reportedly finish all sentences with the word “but”.

    But according to her carers, the youngest of the three, Viktoria, could soon be discharged from therapy to join her father, who now is in constant contact with his daughters.

    A council official said that authorities had had no knowledge of the “truly catastrophic” conditions.

    The mother’s legal training and knowledge of the law has reportedly enabled her to postpone the trial. The case will he heard in front of a court in Klagenfurt in the next weeks, as both she and her husband are well known in the legal community of Linz.

    Natascha Kampusch was held for eight years by Wolf-gang Priklopil, before escaping. Priklopil snatched her on her way to school when she was ten and kept her captive in a subterranean dungeon under his house near Vienna for eight years.

    Professor Max Friedrich, a child psychiatrist who treated Ms Kampusch, said that the two cases should not be compared.

    “This is entirely different, when the mother herself is the captor. It is tragic that the one person that commands full trust is misguided in that way. I do not envy their therapists.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    You have been warned. Cases like this one really make me despair for my species. I guess I'm extra-sensitive since I have little lemurs. Ugh. First the Natascha Kapusch case, and now this? Not a good time to be a young lady in Austria.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    February 12, 2007

    Mother kept girls locked away from the world for seven years

    Bojan Pancevski in Vienna

    Three girls who were imprisoned by their mother in a house of indescribable filth for seven years may never recover from the ordeal, experts said last night.

    The girls were shut away from the outside world, existing in almost complete darkness, playing only with mice and communicating in their own language.

    When they were discovered, their home in a smart, upper middle-class suburb had no running water and was filled with waste and excrement a metre high. The floor was corroded by mice urine.

    The case has stunned Austria, still reeling from the Natascha Kampusch kidnapping, and the authorities were struggling last night to explain how such a horror story could have gone unnoticed.

    The girls’ ordeal was apparently sparked by their parents’ divorce, after which their mother, a 53-year-old lawyer, suffered a breakdown. But she won custody of the girls — then aged 7, 11 and 13 — and withdrew them from school, claiming that she would give them private tuition at home.

    Her husband, a local judge in Linz, Upper Austria, named only as Andreas M, was not allowed to see them once, despite his claims for access reaching court nine times.

    The girls, Viktoria, Katharina and Elisabeth, were rescued only when police broke into the house after a neighbour, who had reported his suspicions several times, threatened a local council official with a lawsuit.

    Although that was in October 2005, and the three have been in a specialised therapy centre since, the scandal was only revealed at the weekend.

    The mother is now being held in a special remand prison branch for the mentally unstable. She will appear in court in a few weeks on charges of grievous bodily harm and torture, and is facing between five months and five years in prison.

    She had ensured that the blinds were constantly shut, and that all but one light bulb had been removed in the house. When they were released, the three victims had white skin and could not endure exposure to natural light.

    Authorities are now under fire for failing to have intervened sooner, despite repeated complaints by neighbours in the well-to-do Poestlingberg.

    The mother was said to have been summoned to court nine times during the seven years after complaints by the father and neighbours, but officials never found a reason to investigate the case more closely.

    Waltraud Kubelka, a therapist who is now treating the three girls, said that their psycho-social and physical development was “catastrophic”.

    “The oldest one is doing very badly and has no prospects of recovery. She was severely undernourished and practically anorexic after her release. The two younger ones will need years to come to terms with their horrific childhood.

    “In the first weeks after their release they were hiding under a bench in the kitchen [in the therapy centre] because that was the darkest spot. They could not endure light . . . they had not felt sunlight or fresh air for years.”

    It is believed that the children had contact only with their mother during the seven years of captivity and, as a consequence, developed an almost unintelligible language of their own, described as a “singing-like” form of German.

    Even after a year of therapy the oldest daughter, Elisabeth, now 21, is said to be so disturbed that she stands only on one foot for long periods staring at the floor. She often bursts into tears.

    She and her two sisters also reportedly finish all sentences with the word “but”.

    But according to her carers, the youngest of the three, Viktoria, could soon be discharged from therapy to join her father, who now is in constant contact with his daughters.

    A council official said that authorities had had no knowledge of the “truly catastrophic” conditions.

    The mother’s legal training and knowledge of the law has reportedly enabled her to postpone the trial. The case will he heard in front of a court in Klagenfurt in the next weeks, as both she and her husband are well known in the legal community of Linz.

    Natascha Kampusch was held for eight years by Wolf-gang Priklopil, before escaping. Priklopil snatched her on her way to school when she was ten and kept her captive in a subterranean dungeon under his house near Vienna for eight years.

    Professor Max Friedrich, a child psychiatrist who treated Ms Kampusch, said that the two cases should not be compared.

    “This is entirely different, when the mother herself is the captor. It is tragic that the one person that commands full trust is misguided in that way. I do not envy their therapists.”
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    'tis bad. I wonder what punishment she'll exactly get, and if those children will recover properly. The eldest especially has less chance, it seems.


    On another note, I'm curious as to what "kind of language" they exactly spoke when they invented one themselves. Some kids who get abused, etc., might still speak their native language, but when it's so bad that they even have an own language...? Damn.
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    Oh Lord...

    How terrible.

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    Equality of genders, eh? Father repeatedly wants to see his own kids, and he can't. Sounds like an upper middle class person.

    Mother of course gets custody an no one would dare interfere with her wishes...

    If she's mentally ill without insight then I'd spare her execution. Else we could all do with the extra oxygen.

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    She will appear in court in a few weeks on charges of grievous bodily harm and torture, and is facing between five months and five years in prison.
    If they're actually trying her as a sane adult, this seems like a crazily short sentence.
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    This is a horrible, horrible tale. I feel terribly for these 3 children.
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    Truely messed up. I feel really sorry for those girls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
    Equality of genders, eh? Father repeatedly wants to see his own kids, and he can't. Sounds like an upper middle class person.

    Mother of course gets custody an no one would dare interfere with her wishes...

    If she's mentally ill without insight then I'd spare her execution. Else we could all do with the extra oxygen.

    There must have been signs of her mental state. Giving her rights was absurd.
    As for her execution, you can not decide to let go when you have people dependent on you. She sounds like a sadistic...I'm not sure if I'd be allowed to say the word...
    She should definately get it in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
    Equality of genders, eh? Father repeatedly wants to see his own kids, and he can't. Sounds like an upper middle class person.

    Mother of course gets custody an no one would dare interfere with her wishes...
    Sadly, this seems to be the case. In seven years, he didn't get to see his children.

    I think an appropriate punishment would be making her spend the rest of her days as she made her kids live - though I'd imagine there's some laws against that.

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    ...was filled with waste and excrement a metre high.
    That's...that's a lot of poop.

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    By coincidence, a TV program on "wild children" was just on. It showed the case of Genie, a girl who was given similar treatment. I also saw a program on her in a High School psychology class. Apparently, if language is not learned at a young enough age, development becomes very limited and the child cannot hope to progress past a certain point.
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    I'm most surprised that the neighbor had to threaten legal action to get them to check out the place. Around here in the US, I thought they'd normally respond faster to such suspicions, and have a friendly look around at least.

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    Is there something in the water in Austria? Nuts.

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    While still quite shocking, the case of Natasha Kampusch sounds almost like a fairy-tale in comparison to this. It's so disgusting, I have problems not to think of any physical harm done to that "mother"...


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    What the hell is wrong with people...
    I have two girls...

    I don't know.. If I were in that father's shoes; No way I would have let this go on for SEVEN years.
    If I even suspected some harm being done to my girls, those doors would have been broken down in a heart beat.

    SEVEN years!!!! Come on Austria, wake up!!!
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    One of the things that most depresses me about these sorts of stories is how many more similar stories there may be that never come to light. If not now, then in past years. There's a lot of misery in the world.

    Also, I really don't understand how these sorts of things are still possible? I can live, I suppose, with social services not being able to spot many forms of abuse, at least for a period, but really, what was it about this case that made it so hard to pick up?

    It seems to me than many of our systems are profoundly misdesigned, or misapplied, and spend most of their time endlessly investigating (you might go so far as harassing people for pretty minor transgressions, where the really huge cases simply go unchecked.

    And then in the past there is the fact that it would have been much harder to do this, since neighbours, family, and that whole community thing would have been a check. The state does seem to be a poor substitute. Damn, at this rate I'm going to turn into a social conservative.
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